Path: csiph.com!news.mixmin.net!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!217.188.199.168.MISMATCH!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed8.news.xs4all.nl!nzpost1.xs4all.net!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Question': 0.05; 'assignment': 0.07; 'builtin': 0.07; '@property': 0.09; 'assigning': 0.09; 'attribute.': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.10; 'def': 0.13; 'attribute"': 0.16; 'attribute,': 0.16; 'benefit.': 0.16; 'code),': 0.16; 'instance:': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject:class': 0.16; 'subject:variable': 0.16; 'ways:': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'attribute': 0.18; 'assuming': 0.22; 'variables.': 0.22; 'cheers,': 0.22; 'am,': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'feature': 0.24; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'function': 0.28; 'idea': 0.28; 'values': 0.28; 'fine': 0.28; "i'm": 0.30; 'print': 0.30; "we're": 0.30; 'creating': 0.30; 'code': 0.30; "i'd": 0.31; 'skip:_ 10': 0.32; 'class': 0.33; 'problem': 0.33; 'instance': 0.35; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'starting': 0.37; 'things': 0.38; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'still': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'received:194': 0.61; 'side': 0.62; 'email addr:gmail.com': 0.62; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.62; 'making': 0.62; '(that': 0.63; 'finally': 0.70; 'yourself': 0.73; 'topic,': 0.79; 'confusing': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: jmp Subject: Re: Question re class variable Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:02:12 +0200 References: <3948d9cd-24b1-4a3b-8ed0-46bb60a8d738@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: paris.sequans.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 In-Reply-To: <3948d9cd-24b1-4a3b-8ed0-46bb60a8d738@googlegroups.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 58 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1443524549 news.xs4all.nl 23770 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:37705 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:97202 On 09/29/2015 11:27 AM, plewto@gmail.com wrote: > I have a perplexing problem with Python 3 class variables. Your problem is that when assigning values to your class attribute, you are actually creating a instance attribute. class Foo: bar = "I'm a class attribute" def __init__(self): self.bar = "I'm an instance attribute" def foo(self): print self.bar print Foo.bar # this is how you set a class attribute from an instance Foo.bar = "I am still a class attribute" print Foo.bar Foo.foo() I'm an instance attribute I'm a class attribute I am still a class attribute What can be confusing is that assuming you never use the same name for a class an instance attribute (that would be bad code), you can access your class attribute from the instance: class Foo: bar = "I'm a class attribute" def foo(self): # python will look into the class scope if not found in the instance print self.bar # this is not an assignment so we're fine Foo.foo() I'm an class attribute As side note and unrelated topic, your are using name mangling (attribute starting with __), are you sure you need it ? You need a strong motive to use this feature otherwise you're making things difficult for yourself without any benefit. Finally here's how I'd code your id, to give some idea on alternative ways: class GameObject: @property def id(self): return id(self) #use the builtin id function print GameObject().id Cheers, JM