Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'digest': 0.04; 'impacts': 0.07; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subtle': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; 'language,': 0.12; 'translation': 0.12; 'language.': 0.14; 'thread': 0.14; 'conformance': 0.16; 'core.': 0.16; 'operational': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'semantics': 0.16; 'thereby': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'programming': 0.22; 'separate': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'finally,': 0.24; 'paul': 0.24; 'looks': 0.24; 'source': 0.25; 'primary': 0.26; 'url:edu': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints- To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'converting': 0.30; 'evaluation': 0.30; 'posting': 0.31; 'concern': 0.31; 'this.': 0.32; 'open': 0.33; 'core': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'thanks': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'aspects': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'received:173': 0.61; 'kind': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'fidelity': 0.84; 'pervasive': 0.84; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84; 'examine': 0.93; 'confidence': 0.95 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: python operational semantics paper Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 05:42:35 -0500 References: <7x61s1o22j.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-59-117-133.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 In-Reply-To: <7x61s1o22j.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1384080179 news.xs4all.nl 15938 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:54932 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:58999 On 11/9/2013 1:35 PM, Paul Rubin wrote: > This looks kind of interesting. > > http://cs.brown.edu/~sk/Publications/Papers/Published/pmmwplck-python-full-monty/ > > Abstract > > We present a small-step operational semantics for the Python programming > language. We present both a core language for Python, suitable for tools > and proofs, and a translation process for converting Python source to > this core. We have tested the composition of translation and evaluation > of the core for conformance with the primary Python implementa- tion, > thereby giving confidence in the fidelity of the seman- tics. We briefly > report on the engineering of these compo- nents. Finally, we examine > subtle aspects of the language, identifying scope as a pervasive concern > that even impacts features that might be considered orthogonal. Thanks for posting this. I found it very interesting but will need more time to digest it. I plan to open a separate thread based on one item in the paper. -- Terry Jan Reedy