Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder5.xlned.com!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.012 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'interpreter': 0.04; 'languages,': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'dev': 0.07; 'extent': 0.07; 'language': 0.14; 'sat,': 0.15; '25%': 0.16; 'ecosystem': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'sense,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'feb': 0.19; 'written': 0.20; 'purposes': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'right.': 0.27; 'replace': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'run': 0.28; 'obscure': 0.29; 'install': 0.29; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'pm,': 0.35; 'received:209.85.220': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'explain': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'client': 0.36; 'why': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'save': 0.61; 'time,': 0.62; 'worth': 0.63; 'ever': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'costs': 0.64; '10%': 0.81; '2013': 0.84; 'clinical': 0.84; 'proposal.': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ZF42DYxaWRG15jljMeH7deqqbkA/2XD/7ta7Lds2ilM=; b=ziRVmKRsaWWbjahcPs6Du81DD1QCp8jgQRBQ+xnqZRMCWd+HeZ6og3A4voMLDUt32V lnUSa5WyKdBkO4DqTtHkHXZN6Wl6V/u4Z9d+MxjoF2iR5RIQmki7XAdegdHwNa2ajZ8d nMWmZSze45w8jA1ecH4tXH7nehczaQrXQtcRWhTsNpOYlW3oWanSrL+48sBo1Rk3M8Td EYTbqHcs5waKb+LARctNHTV3z4f0z3SN3u+0RFtfAKx4HPdJ7rO7oF4FcwovlwhMFNxw b50BqLMyGZTfpzOO5lMJz9zjRTNVzNs6AIRb8yvEB5x5Dru/xG10obNbN9AUSbAEwcaJ 8QCw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.253.161 with SMTP id ab1mr5650492ved.55.1361587733558; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:48:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <51282C2F.5030003@lightbird.net> References: <5127848B.1060004@gmail.com> <928d2cf7-728b-4f35-b8c9-4c9b958507e5@googlegroups.com> <51282334$0$29988$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <51282C2F.5030003@lightbird.net> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 13:48:53 +1100 Subject: Re: Python Newbie From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1361587741 news.xs4all.nl 6885 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:38109 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:39646 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Mitya Sirenef wrote: > It's also worth noting that if there's a new language that is somewhat > better than all established languages, but not to the extent that it > will ever replace them (because of network effects), it's not really > better for any practical purposes -- present and future[*] ecosystem is a > part of a language's value proposition. Right. In a pure and clinical sense, it may be "better" - it might save you 10% on dev time and 25% on run time, say - but if it costs you more than that in support and documentation when you explain to people how they have to install a new language interpreter to use it, it's a much less promising proposal. (That's why Gypsum, my MUD client written in Pike, is still a toy. I was fully aware that I was saddling it with an obscure language interpreter.) ChrisA