Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.129 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.74; '*S*': 0.00; 'redirected': 0.07; 'contractors': 0.09; 'received:mail-qc0-f174.google.com': 0.09; 'sure,': 0.09; 'thereof.': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.10; "wouldn't": 0.11; "(i'm": 0.16; '(there': 0.16; 'at.': 0.16; 'decent': 0.16; 'dislike': 0.16; 'freelancing.': 0.16; 'means.': 0.16; 'oct': 0.16; 'phase,': 0.16; 'resource.': 0.16; 'rough': 0.16; 'such,': 0.16; 'url:odesk': 0.16; 'worst': 0.16; 'wed,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'prototype': 0.17; "shouldn't": 0.17; 'widely': 0.17; '(or': 0.18; 'trying': 0.21; 'do.': 0.21; 'meant': 0.21; 'aspect': 0.22; 'combination': 0.22; 'either.': 0.22; 'subject:Questions': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; 'academic': 0.23; "haven't": 0.23; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'ago': 0.27; 'am,': 0.27; 'functions.': 0.27; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'all.': 0.28; '(unless': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'that.': 0.30; 'feedback': 0.30; 'lists': 0.31; 'point': 0.31; 'gets': 0.32; 'asking': 0.32; 'generally': 0.32; 'suggestion': 0.32; "aren't": 0.33; 'designs': 0.33; 'likely': 0.33; 'another': 0.33; 'that,': 0.34; 'version': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'wrong': 0.34; 'compared': 0.35; 'community': 0.35; 'open': 0.35; 'doing': 0.35; 'too.': 0.35; "won't": 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'alone': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'enough': 0.36; 'turn': 0.36; 'bad': 0.37; 'does': 0.37; 'resources': 0.37; 'being': 0.37; 'why': 0.37; 'rather': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'received:209.85.216': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'nothing': 0.38; 'possible.': 0.38; 'sure': 0.38; 'several': 0.39; 'google': 0.39; 'little': 0.39; 'where': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'most': 0.61; 'high': 0.61; 'real': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'kind': 0.61; "you'll": 0.62; 'interest': 0.62; 'different': 0.63; 'services.': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'show': 0.63; 'selling': 0.64; 'great': 0.64; 'here': 0.65; 'beat': 0.65; 'delegate': 0.65; 'experts': 0.66; 'individuals': 0.69; 'business': 0.70; 'realized': 0.71; 'rendering': 0.71; 'commercial': 0.73; 'day': 0.73; 'advertising': 0.75; 'honest': 0.75; 'yourself': 0.77; 'music': 0.79; 'business.': 0.82; 'heavy': 0.83; 'absolutely': 0.84; 'alone,': 0.84; 'client-side': 0.84; 'designer.': 0.84; 'devices.': 0.84; 'faculty.': 0.84; 'flame': 0.84; 'wars': 0.84; 'yours': 0.88; 'comment.': 0.91; 'grew': 0.91; 'reducing': 0.95; 'sincere': 0.96 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Vfem7qkA7hhSOWlG21lNRaMZw7IHFnsB9vAntOSkUoo=; b=I3GtkrjyH6TrmWsC3M0XKJdUU8iOSMg9LUNUhbibG6iDBEb1MyaPWzrTvFedhSUvLP a9GHYSxz3OmVWyuLyiZIX9TRQWjGfS4hGlnR14VNkN51yj+Vv7CEPf6A33zhABSpPJnR dWq8UaR9FWWmkA3dxzEocZQ3L6LgehYy1PJ9NT0K5brT+GuBB4re0KG766Z5gp2iAbqs M53JzbK4PJ8VsHfse8Wbk4Djo73CF3QRF+TsAxxD2eU788GLU4AtXthF43stYVi3PmXR 1RuP6krWkGyDRU2PAX+5nyYTfhAxh7TL4L70ZaZxhuylQ2QNnUBY3N4xq5Xau8TTlsvZ tpMg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <94BCE27A-C403-4339-B0A6-DFCCAF859BDD@gmail.com> References: <507D7540.9010303@gmail.com> <94BCE27A-C403-4339-B0A6-DFCCAF859BDD@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 01:51:04 -0400 Subject: Re: OT Questions From: Dwight Hutto To: Demian Brecht Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 81 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1350453066 news.xs4all.nl 6871 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:42336 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:31470 On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Demian Brecht wro= te: >> >> You haven't been on lists long enough then to have seen some real >> flame warts...no offense. > > No offense taken, it's why I said it in the first place ;) Having said th= at, generally engaging in flame wars solves nothing and sheds a negative li= ght on the individuals who take part in it. > >> It's in a design phase, and I'm asking the local experts to critique >> it, and even be harsh. > > You're not a designer. There's nothing at all wrong with that (I'm not ei= ther for the record). Most aren't good at both left *and* right-brained fun= ctions. My sincere suggestion is pick which aspect of development piques yo= ur interest the most and follow that. Delegate the other aspects to others = who are good at what they do. > > Remember.. You're asking for feedback here :) > >> It was meant as more of a commercial to show a little more umph in my >> site presentation, and I'm working on reducing the size through >> several different means. > > It's a bad way of advertising your business. In this day and age, there w= ill likely be less people looking for potential contractors on desktop syst= ems than on mobile devices. As such, you want to make sure that your site h= as very little in the way of heavy graphics (unless there's a version that = the user gets redirected to that's mobile-friendly). Take advantage of clie= nt-side rendering where possible. > >> I know this, and I'm trying to reduce it, but show something that's appe= aling. > > My point was that it shouldn't be there *at all*. Automatically playing m= usic is widely thought of as being annoying and does absolutely nothing at = all for your business. You're not selling games, you're not selling DJ serv= ices. I can guarantee that you will turn away more prospective business by = having the music there in the first place than not having any at all. > >> I kind of like my designs, and they're being refined through these >> conversations. > > I like my designs too. However, I realized *long* ago that I'm not good a= t them. I even grew to dislike even doing design work because of how much e= xtra time and effort it took to develop something decent rather than just c= oncentrating on what I was good at. My designs wouldn't hold up compared to= other professional entities and unless there are remarkable improvements, = yours won't either. > >> I like w3schools.com, and I know that it's a rough draft, and so >> should my critics. > > w3schools is generally thought of as being a bad resource. Take a read th= rough http://w3fools.com (there are many other resources, that was just the= first one that popped up on Google search). Udacity has a high powered aca= demic faculty. Coursera is another great resource. Both have content that y= ou'll never get from resources like w3schools. Open higher learning is wher= e it's at. > >> I like to work alone, and his is an attempt to get others in the OS >> community to comment. > > Working alone is almost always the worst thing that you can do if you're = new (or newer) to development, design, user experience or any combination t= hereof. Surrounding yourself with people smarter than you is the best way t= o learn and grow. Sure, you can attempt to get some of that over mailing li= sts and the like, but nothing will *ever* beat in-person environments. > This is my prototype portfolio for freelancing. If you have an honest critique, then what, in your opinion, am I good at? https://www.odesk.com/users/~01710ac049863018eb --=20 Best Regards, David Hutto CEO: http://www.hitwebdevelopment.com