Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!news.musoftware.de!wum.musoftware.de!news.babsi.de!open-news-network.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.044 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.91; '*S*': 0.00; 'argument': 0.04; 'freelance': 0.05; 'arguments': 0.07; 'nasty': 0.07; 'received :mail-qc0-f174.google.com': 0.09; 'starter': 0.09; 'suggestions:': 0.09; 'zero.': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.10; 'thread': 0.11; 'hire': 0.15; '*no*': 0.16; 'commented': 0.16; 'crawlers': 0.16; 'declaration': 0.16; 'doing,': 0.16; 'means.': 0.16; 'parse,': 0.16; 'personally,': 0.16; 'phase,': 0.16; 'rough': 0.16; 'removed.': 0.17; 'yield': 0.17; 'load': 0.19; '(not': 0.20; 'causing': 0.20; 'all,': 0.21; 'trying': 0.21; 'do.': 0.21; 'meant': 0.21; 'ones.': 0.22; 'subject:Questions': 0.22; 'work,': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; 'work.': 0.23; "haven't": 0.23; "i've": 0.23; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'embedded': 0.27; 'designer': 0.27; 'have,': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'went': 0.28; 'initial': 0.28; 'container': 0.29; 'music.': 0.29; "people's": 0.29; 'no,': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'maybe': 0.29; 'that.': 0.30; 'usually': 0.30; 'feedback': 0.30; 'sense': 0.31; 'up.': 0.31; 'lists': 0.31; 'asking': 0.32; 'page.': 0.33; 'impression': 0.33; 'mixed': 0.33; 'much.': 0.33; 'everyone': 0.33; 'times.': 0.33; 'another': 0.33; 'that,': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'text': 0.34; 'list': 0.35; 'mine': 0.35; 'community': 0.35; 'doing': 0.35; 'sometimes': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'development.': 0.36; 'others.': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'useful': 0.36; 'client': 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'enough': 0.36; 'bad': 0.37; 'does': 0.37; 'being': 0.37; 'rather': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'received:209.85.216': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'things': 0.38; 'sure': 0.38; 'there,': 0.38; 'page': 0.38; 'several': 0.39; 'instead': 0.39; 'apply': 0.39; 'little': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'help': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'company': 0.60; "you've": 0.61; 'real': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'kind': 0.61; 'dead': 0.62; 'fire': 0.62; 'partner,': 0.62; 'relatively': 0.62; 'personal': 0.62; 'different': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'show': 0.63; 'gone': 0.64; 'gave': 0.65; 'contents.': 0.65; 'started.': 0.65; 'reply': 0.66; 'experts': 0.66; 'serving': 0.66; 'business': 0.70; 'obvious': 0.71; 'opinions': 0.72; 'commercial': 0.73; 'site:': 0.84; 'alone,': 0.84; 'atm,': 0.84; 'flame': 0.84; 'perspective,': 0.84; 'visually': 0.84; 'comment.': 0.91; 'fish': 0.91; 'response,': 0.93; 'reducing': 0.95; 'fight': 0.97; 'seo': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=GfjJ0F+elq8CVcwREgm/2d4FBq01DZ6NAvDbThFQ81o=; b=GAJ2Mky+TsxexL91/qU8SGdHEL3uIIBA31+psawkq324e/rb1REjJR0D1qHU3dFrpO 5vIV8Qj0jPknZp+nZ9OXnmCl5knNLqSq849NI/0UB+JVdD6ZmC33iAytGmcxH9JzuvbA ISD2YLtuHsFZQXMmbEIdd8PL5WSlRY4uCnMHagixHeWI6uLsW5hGNJNFeytdRvVWx2ON c8ICcacl2JQOlO/zGJ8x5k9ysNRFmUEqhBtRBq2qY+1Oa53r8QKfpFbmulU8ylfrtB8E 3hpkaxtIKYOL+qou+eJbc1gcNDhk8oaN8j3yJywPCiDNqff71MhlRb45EWDWmkkkVx1C cmTw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <507D7540.9010303@gmail.com> References: <507D7540.9010303@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:55:38 -0400 Subject: Re: OT Questions From: Dwight Hutto To: Demian Brecht Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 106 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1350435341 news.xs4all.nl 6966 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:38136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:31437 I'm not sure whether or not this is a troll, but I'll bite. No, not a troll, I've been around these lists for a while, and a few wild arguments stemming from both my ego, and some other programmer's arrogance. > > If you're going to ask for people's opinions on your work, I would try to > keep the negativity in a list to zero. If a flame on you pops up, you sometimes fight fire with fire. There are a lot of things that get mixed up. Like maybe a personal reply instead of reply all, that everyone else missed, or didn't see another thread in which the argument started. I'm relatively new to this list and > the tirades that you've gone on have been childish at best. You haven't been on lists long enough then to have seen some real flame warts...no offense. Doing that and > then turning around and asking for useful feedback (if you're genuinely > looking for it) is not going to yield much. It does from those who I trust as not going to go into rants, such as I have, but mine are usually in response, and yes they do get nasty at times. > > Now that that's over.. > > I couldn't get to your oDesk profile, got an empty page. That *could* be > caused by the dead zones that I'm hitting atm, but I gave up after a few > tries. It's there, and it's a starter portfolio for other freelance sites looking for work. > > I then went to your website and here's what I can see from a glance. This > isn't meant to be harsh or slag you personally, but learn what you're doing > before you attempt to create a company to help others. If you *do* know what > you're doing, use your site to showcase that. Nobody will hire someone with > a business site like your current site: It's in a design phase, and I'm asking the local experts to critique it, and even be harsh. > > * You have a bloated, 50+MB gif serving your page contents. That's just bad > for obvious reasons It was meant as more of a commercial to show a little more umph in my site presentation, and I'm working on reducing the size through several different means. . > * There's no DOCTYPE declaration in your HTML. > * You have
s mixed in pre- > * You don't have a container Working on it buddy. > * You have embedded music. Not only is this a bad design choice from a UX > perspective, but it's also causing the client to load more I know this, and I'm trying to reduce it, but show something that's appealing. . > * You have *no* SEO Not yet, and the graphic has no text for the web crawlers to parse, which I'm aware of, as well as no meta tags > * You have commented out HTML This is the design phase, and that will be removed. > * You don't have any design sense (not a personal attack, I don't have any > either). I kind of like my designs, and they're being refined through these conversations. > > My suggestions: > * Take courses (free or paid) on web development. Udacity has a few good > ones. I like w3schools.com, and I know that it's a rough draft, and so should my critics. > * Apply your learnings to your site. Showcase what you can do and what you > know and what you can do. > * Look for a designer partner, someone who can make your work visually > appealing. The visuals are the first impression (after initial load times). I like to work alone, and his is an attempt to get others in the OS community to comment. > > > Now having said all of that, if this is a troll, I feel rather foolish. Only trolling for fish under the bridge...clients -- Best Regards, David Hutto CEO: http://www.hitwebdevelopment.com