Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Random832 Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Statements as expressions [was Re: Undefined behaviour in C] Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 20:15:36 -0400 Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <1344e2bf-15d2-412e-9512-b0aba800dada@googlegroups.com> <56f880ba$0$1617$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <878u125ugc.fsf@nightsong.com> <720bdbcc-862d-425d-abc0-2dacaaf8f7d9@googlegroups.com> <87zitgujmp.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <1459357657.2013677.563815506.596B2C8F@webmail.messagingengine.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de jM+QUsXSbtowCo5JpNqV6w7+QzeD505pL3nyb23wjIug== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.006 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'binary': 0.05; 'claimed': 0.07; 'expired': 0.09; 'inserted': 0.09; "person's": 0.09; 'received:internal': 0.09; 'python': 0.10; 'wed,': 0.15; 'discussions': 0.15; 'expiring': 0.16; 'mean,': 0.16; 'message- id:@webmail.messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'received:10.202': 0.16; 'received:10.202.2': 0.16; 'received:10.202.2.44': 0.16; 'received:66.111': 0.16; 'received:66.111.4': 0.16; 'received:compute4.internal': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'routinely': 0.16; 'subject:expressions': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'arguments': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'discussion': 0.24; 'header': 0.24; "doesn't": 0.26; 'wonder': 0.27; 'record': 0.29; 'fast.': 0.29; "people's": 0.29; 'subject: [': 0.29; 'sure,': 0.29; "i'm": 0.30; 'posts': 0.30; 'guess': 0.31; 'supposed': 0.31; 'useful': 0.33; 'surprised': 0.33; 'but': 0.36; 'there': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:10': 0.37; 'being': 0.37; 'missing': 0.37; 'received:66': 0.38; 'stuff': 0.38; 'google': 0.39; 'why': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'along': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'care': 0.60; 'decision': 0.61; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'making': 0.62; '30,': 0.63; 'mar': 0.65; 'led': 0.72; 'exploitation': 0.84; 'inherent': 0.84; 'dennis': 0.91; 'reasoning': 0.91; 'forever.': 0.93; 'overall,': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.com; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=0QJjWYJxrDuWi6rb2MSVsCY2BJI=; b=cjq9CK CSTYWNNY44y8kod37xQKtIhVxsA1Q7wi2snCnjQ1v4Ylyj6feVxSTX7nrkF/FkJy j9BFp/Dc+4lPPsYBwNYSXtady2YeJAGUIMFqLmOZGW2WtJoKPCw3PL8AIxtxL/zo AgnZUfBKo3g5qivCSmTbojfv3wVs0WBmsNMfA= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=0QJjWYJxrDuWi6r b2MSVsCY2BJI=; b=u6t0eODc45W/U+RqwqFyTmWvPcdWrlefPYRh8J7HkJsiFim OpijAxikJeJ57hMeqeOYHjYa2SpoeXGXmU3KXYRkJmaOGjnypNCBGqJDCAxtZ7WP Tpyo6weuRuSH3DXkXBBBfjy8KqvU/cPmZoVABkAeJjzaaSgYupJTNg1X1ShM= X-Sasl-Enc: eoF8UDiXQLGXllgUc1a0iQNCgHvjVHHkESU4f3+jTm13 1459383336 X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-9aaf2efb In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:106118 On Wed, Mar 30, 2016, at 19:01, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > Though I'm surprised GoogleGroups would expire that fast. > > Google is the reason I inserted that header -- I started back in the > days when news-servers routinely expired stuff (text groups about monthly > lifespan, the binary groups were expiring at 24 hours). Then along came > Google with the "lifetime availability" threat. I guess I'm not sure I understand the motive for considering such a thing a "threat". Why do you _care_ if technical discussions about Python are available forever? I mean, it's useful for there to be a record of the discussion that led to making a decision about a PEP, or prior arguments against an idea. Sure, one person's posts being missing doesn't do much to that overall, but I do have to wonder why you care. AIUI, most people's contemporary reasoning for objecting to DejaNews (if "Google" was truly the reason you inserted it, you're a latecomer to the idea) was the supposed exploitation inherent in the fact that it was ad-funded, and most never claimed to care about it being around forever.