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Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 18:17:54 +1000
Subject: Re: Python error codes and messages location
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On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 6:10 PM, F=E1bio Santos <fabiosantosart@gmail.com> =
wrote:
> Just to clarify, I am suggesting to have the unchanged messages in
> tracebacks, but having some methods in the exception to get the exception
> and message localised. Just like repr() and str() are directed at differe=
nt
> audiences (the programmer vs. The user), so is a traceback vs a message b=
ox.

There's no particular reason for that to be a method on the exception,
then. You're just asking to localize a text string, and I think that
functionality already exists someplace :)

> OpenERP for example shows stack traces to the user. It could show a short=
er
> message in the user's language.

Sounds like an OpenERP feature request, then.

> On 28 May 2013 08:19, "Chris Angelico" <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Can we internationalize English instead of localizing Python?
>>
>
> That is worse than saying, "why don't we all just code in python?". Or c.=
 Or
> java. Or JavaScript.
>
> Let's not get into that. I prefer len() to new
> LengthCalculatorFactoryBuilder().createLengthCalculatorFactory().createLe=
ngthCalculator().calculateLengthOf().
> And a good old Python list or JavaScript array to a collection of segfaul=
ts.

Yeah, like I said, that wasn't a serious suggestion :)

ChrisA