Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!194.109.133.85.MISMATCH!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.023 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.95; '*S*': 0.00; 'output': 0.04; 'framework.': 0.07; 'of)': 0.09; 'path,': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python- list': 0.10; "wouldn't": 0.11; 'static': 0.13; '"hello': 0.16; 'assumptions': 0.16; 'better?': 0.16; 'exceptions.': 0.16; 'frameworks?': 0.16; 'modularity': 0.16; 'patch,': 0.16; 'differ': 0.17; '(or': 0.18; 'trying': 0.21; 'together.': 0.21; 'driven': 0.22; 'work.': 0.23; 'this:': 0.23; "i've": 0.23; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'feature': 0.24; 'cc:2**1': 0.24; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'cc:addr:gmail.com': 0.27; 'question': 0.27; 'core': 0.27; '(we': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'run': 0.28; 'app.': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'related': 0.30; 'framework': 0.30; 'projects.': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'good.': 0.32; 'problem': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'list': 0.35; 'decisions': 0.35; 'weekend': 0.35; 'so,': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'explain': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'does': 0.37; 'why': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'well.': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'brief': 0.38; 'things': 0.38; 'sure': 0.38; 'performance': 0.39; 'application': 0.40; 'where': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'amazing': 0.61; 'more.': 0.62; 'personal': 0.62; 'great': 0.64; 'here': 0.65; 'become': 0.65; 'life': 0.66; 'quality': 0.69; 'analysis': 0.70; 'paper': 0.78; '(imho).': 0.84; 'pain': 0.84; 'to:addr:live.com': 0.84; 'good,': 0.91; 'from.': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sIsm1IwRgTxJ+hYvJF6+ckX5LN+S1PzbemIR4GSSQDI=; b=jBsbrhhX3a5qnS/JEJQ/imYbov6J5yXLMHcPfgqcR2V7OqC1YJx3PChLqgTN9P4uVt bgKVnqN+OurUauoQ2BPbqHFwmNVc2Y/gooTZg1n6YJEtKI8NCeGRPCH4gsN7dKn/sFx8 ztPmc832BeVhEjXMe1xfWW72mgwGyPKSKkAuCey0CxkqE40iGKyD+oJHemSL/c6g6zXw 52ZLHFaWk+186SH2+y0Bn1q3knaw3enjB6Xc6TfkyCiOlKdinF+RyjZLNVxHOnYeU9N6 DNMIAFSNxQI96Pil0SBSgpyRUXJkpE1H0ybpvZAAYfWY81JCwEixvZY4PIum9+H6n+Qy XNFQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <8b51748d-0517-4b1d-a0a6-e8fa06dd4b68@r10g2000pbd.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 07:08:46 -0700 Subject: Re: Fastest web framework From: Demian Brecht To: Andriy Kornatskyy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "python-list@python.org" , wuwei23@gmail.com X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 46 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1350396527 news.xs4all.nl 6911 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:52549 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:31403 Let me say right off the bat that I've taken a brief look through the code and documentation and found that I wouldn't mind trying it out for personal projects. So, the intention here is not to slag the framework. > Performance and effectivity are related metrics. Longer feature list can = not explain why it less effective. An answer to effectivity question might = be related to: > - code quality (we have PEP8) Any static code analysis such as pylint or pyflakes? > - architectural decisions taken What (sample of) decisions? How do they differ from other frameworks? How will they make my life better? > - core team experience Not sure this is entirely relevant (imho). Engineers with great experience on paper may still make poor decisions and output shoddy work. Conversely, a new grad (or weekend hacker) may have a solid understanding and output amazing work. > - historical path, etc. What does this mean? > There is a problem with 3rd party code... it should evolve with framework= ... so good one become a part of it. 3rd party UI things are good, until yo= u start `customize` them, patch, workaround, etc. This is where pain come f= rom. However, there are exceptions. Can you name few? [Disclaimer: personal opinion] I couldn't disagree more. A good framework provides the glue for various subsystems to work amazingly well together. Perhaps this is why I'm drawn to micro-frameworks and the likes of Pyramid. No assumptions are made about *how* I'm going to use the framework. Modularity is good. Do one thing and do it *very* well. Caching? Use beaker. ORM? Use SQLAlchemy. > Let me state this: "wheezy.web let you design web application to be able = run it at the speed of `hello world`, even database driven one". This bothers me. It's misleading to newbies and it's just wrong. You simply *cannot* have a database driven application run at the exact same performance as a "hello world" app.