Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!newsfeed.eweka.nl!eweka.nl!feeder3.eweka.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.039 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.92; '*S*': 0.00; 'cache': 0.05; 'frameworks': 0.05; 'framework.': 0.07; 'welcome.': 0.07; 'caching': 0.16; 'comments:': 0.16; 'exceptions.': 0.16; 'frameworks;': 0.16; 'imo.': 0.16; 'oct': 0.16; 'patch,': 0.16; 're-usable': 0.16; 'url:packages': 0.16; 'mon,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'figures': 0.17; 'to:name:python-list@python.org': 0.20; 'skip:- 40': 0.21; 'thanks.': 0.21; 'aspect': 0.22; 'driven': 0.22; '15,': 0.23; 'to:2**1': 0.23; 'feature': 0.24; 'least': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'possibly': 0.27; 'question': 0.27; 'core': 0.27; '(we': 0.27; 'run': 0.28; 'date:': 0.29; 'url:mailman': 0.29; 'maybe': 0.29; 'related': 0.30; 'ease': 0.30; 'framework': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'url:python': 0.32; 'could': 0.32; 'url:listinfo': 0.32; 'comments': 0.33; 'from:addr:live.com': 0.33; 'problem': 0.33; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.33; 'requirements': 0.33; 'list': 0.35; 'decisions': 0.35; 'fastest': 0.35; 'pm,': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'subject:': 0.36; 'explain': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'email addr:python.org': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'thank': 0.36; 'too': 0.36; 'why': 0.37; 'rather': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'from:': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'things': 0.38; 'performance': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'application': 0.40; 'where': 0.40; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'think': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'easy': 0.60; 'email name:python-list': 0.62; 'invest': 0.62; 'email addr:gmail.com': 0.63; 'here': 0.65; 'become': 0.65; 'believe': 0.69; 'quality': 0.69; 'advantages': 0.71; 'url:http': 0.79; 'hammer': 0.84; 'more:': 0.84; 'pain': 0.84; 'good,': 0.91; 'from.': 0.93; 'url:tutorial': 0.93; 'charset:windows-1251': 0.97 X-Originating-IP: [194.44.213.194] From: Andriy Kornatskyy To: , "python-list@python.org" Subject: RE: Fastest web framework Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:49:39 +0300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8b51748d-0517-4b1d-a0a6-e8fa06dd4b68@r10g2000pbd.googlegroups.com> References: , , <8b51748d-0517-4b1d-a0a6-e8fa06dd4b68@r10g2000pbd.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2012 11:49:39.0731 (UTC) FILETIME=[52DC9630:01CDAB94] X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 67 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1350388247 news.xs4all.nl 6877 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60423 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:31391 Alex=2C Thank you=2C see my answers inline to your comments: > Performance speed is possibly the least interesting aspect of web > frameworks=3B Performance and effectivity are related metrics. Longer feature list can no= t explain why it less effective. An answer to effectivity question might be= related to: - code quality (we have PEP8) - architectural decisions taken - core team experience - historical path=2C=A0etc. > ease of use & readily re-usable 3rd party code figures > much higher=2C IMO. I think these are very valid requirements for the modern web framework. I b= elieve all web frameworks are easy to use (... some too seriously take this= ?)=2C of cause readability/flexibility counts. There is a problem with 3rd party code... it should evolve with framework..= . so good one become a part of it.=A03rd party UI things are good=2C until = you start `customize` them=2C patch=2C workaround=2C etc. This is where pai= n come from. However=2C there are exceptions. Can you name few? > Rather than constantly hammer on about performance=2C > maybe you could take the time to explain any other advantages your > framework provides. Let me state this:=A0"wheezy.web let you design web application to be able = run it at the speed of `hello world`=2C even database driven one". Here is how: use content caching with cache dependency. Read more: http://packages.python.org/wheezy.http/userguide.html#content-cache Invest 30 minutes to understand it: http://packages.python.org/wheezy.web/tutorial.html All web frameworks are good=2C some better. It is important what you see as= an advantage... Thanks. Andriy Kornatskyy ---------------------------------------- > Date: Mon=2C 15 Oct 2012 18:26:16 -0700 > Subject: Re: Fastest web framework > From: wuwei23@gmail.com > To: python-list@python.org > > On Oct 15=2C 11:40 pm=2C Andriy Kornatskyy > wrote: >> Comments or suggestions are welcome. > > Performance speed is possibly the least interesting aspect of web > frameworks=3B ease of use & readily re-usable 3rd party code figures > much higher=2C IMO. Rather than constantly hammer on about performance=2C > maybe you could take the time to explain any other advantages your > framework provides. > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list =