Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; '"the': 0.07; 'plenty': 0.07; 'defines': 0.09; 'impose': 0.09; 'spaces': 0.09; 'style.': 0.09; 'url:googlecode': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'project,': 0.12; 'command,': 0.16; 'formatted': 0.16; 'it."': 0.16; 'it."': 0.16; 'perl.': 0.16; 'rigid': 0.16; 'sane': 0.16; 'tabs': 0.16; 'taming': 0.16; 'url:svn': 0.16; 'sat,': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'users.': 0.18; 'restrictions': 0.19; 'meant': 0.20; 'example': 0.22; 'email addr:gmail.com>': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'load': 0.23; 'format,': 0.24; 'test.': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'options': 0.25; 'script': 0.25; '>': 0.26; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'tried': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'unix': 0.29; 'andrew': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'url:mailman': 0.30; 'probably': 0.32; 'languages': 0.32; 'subject:all': 0.32; 'up.': 0.33; 'url:python': 0.33; 'level.': 0.33; 'style': 0.33; '"the': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'google': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'c++': 0.36; 'var': 0.36; 'url:listinfo': 0.36; 'next': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'unit': 0.37; 'list': 0.37; 'project': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'follows:': 0.38; 'whatever': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'bad': 0.39; 'space': 0.40; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'company': 0.60; 'simple': 0.61; 'real': 0.63; 'choose': 0.64; 'nobody': 0.68; 'flame': 0.84; 'oss': 0.84; 'subject:you': 0.87; 'adopt': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92; 'from.': 0.93; '2013': 0.98 X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=wHssIHm67/ZWvzi2wnPURFKyQHllpPZla8v1jK1Cavk=; b=ZISBTW16ajKomF0WiUwnnz/loVYnNtr/EqVBUkfjMCgCH+ikkD61mpcQeI5vNLlBGF udBr3gEjCcj4cHBv/OEYkb8iFKER+yYPLUO9bR6eG9kwKgCUbAzvH2Zv35zkksOLciuE 7PFXOlSOykYj0R1HR43r80DOHCtoEz0JVxNPifs8QTOC+vUfjnkZLW5uxpJ2yU716ojf MmvH2rSAhfMAW3F57Pk4DQfIqjWLd1GtnJ1Qy0nHS1SupwDoi2hl6Toez376VtIdbmg7 j4ULUbUs/OTntvb3VlrhJjKa4yyY3grufEW1N4l1CxuAxPMTKFmbr60k4IQO3gcnPnk8 akxw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.146.131 with SMTP id tc3mr11938379oeb.29.1365303619788; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 20:00:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [220.245.216.139] In-Reply-To: <00fd714f-c513-48c9-89a6-74887cb962bd@googlegroups.com> References: <64d4fb7c-6a75-4b5f-b5c8-06a4b2b5d0cb@googlegroups.com> <00fd714f-c513-48c9-89a6-74887cb962bd@googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 13:00:19 +1000 Subject: Re: I hate you all From: Dylan Evans Cc: python-list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5d585644b29904d9bc85aa X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl901GiPUDGEVzJbdFXp86vTXW6NuBZI7XYS4eh7I5AwkEU7Cch2hhg6lp3Oq5z8MIQ3fwK X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 133 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1365303630 news.xs4all.nl 6957 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:34744 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:42971 --047d7b5d585644b29904d9bc85aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Then you see my point, unless you are being told what to use by a boss then there are plenty of other languages you can choose from. Python is rigid about it's format, that's just what it is and a lot of people like it but if it's not your thing then some other language will probably suit you better. However, if you are working for a company, or OSS project, you are probably going to have your style dictated whatever language you use, for example the 2 space indents (*shudder*) that google uses in c++ http://google-styleguide.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/cppguide.xml?showone=Spaces_vs._Tabs#Spaces_vs._Tabs (Interestingly google use 4 space indents in python for compatibility with PEP-8 http://google-styleguide.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/pyguide.html?showone=Indentation#Indentation ) You probably won't like everything in a project style but it's not about being tyrannical, and it's not a bad thing to have restrictions at the language level. I work for a company with a load of lagacy c formatted as follows: int many_many_globals; int func(int iFoo,int iBar) { int var = 10; if(iBar>1) { var=iFoo+many_many_globals; } return var; } So i am pretty happy to adopt a language which defines a sane style. This is a nice flame war you have stirred up. On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 3:13 PM, wrote: > On Saturday, April 6, 2013 7:28:55 AM UTC+3, Dylan Evans wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 7:41 AM, wrote: > > > > Hello > > > > > > I just tried python 3.3 with some simple script meant for unit test. > > > > How can python authors be so arrogant to impose their tabs and spaces > options on me ? It should be my choice if I want to use tabs or not ! > > > > > > Don't like it? Use ruby. > > > Actually next on my list is perl. I know ruby is sexy, but taming the wild > beast is what makes me feel like the real cowboy. > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > -- "The UNIX system has a command, nice ... in order to be nice to the other users. Nobody ever uses it." - Andrew S. Tanenbaum --047d7b5d585644b29904d9bc85aa Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Then you see my point, unless you are being told what to u= se by a boss then there are plenty of other languages you can choose from. = Python is rigid about it's format, that's just what it is and a lot= of people like it but if it's not your thing then some other language = will probably suit you better. However, if you are working for a company, o= r OSS project, you are probably going to have your style dictated whatever = language you use, for example the 2 space indents (*shudder*) that google u= ses in c++=A0http://google-styleg= uide.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/cppguide.xml?showone=3DSpaces_vs._Tabs#Spaces= _vs._Tabs=A0(Interestingly google use 4 space indents in python for com= patibility with PEP-8=A0http://google-sty= leguide.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/pyguide.html?showone=3DIndentation#Indenta= tion)
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You probably won't like everything in a project= style but it's not about being tyrannical, and it's not a bad thin= g to have restrictions at the language level.

I work for a company with a load of lagacy c formatted as follows= :

int many_many_globals;
int func(int iFoo,int iBar)
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So i am pretty happy to ad= opt a language which defines a sane style.

This is a nice flame war = you have stirred up.



On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 3:13 PM, <= terminatorul@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, April 6, 2013 7:28:55 AM UTC+3, Dylan Evans wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 7:41 AM, =A0<termin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello
>
>
> I just tried python 3.3 with some simple script meant for unit test. >
> How can python authors be so arrogant to impose their tabs and spaces = options on me ? It should be my choice if I want to use tabs or not !
>
>
> Don't like it? Use ruby.


Actually next on my list is perl. I know ruby is sexy, but taming the= wild beast is what makes me feel like the real cowboy.
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