Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.011 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'oct': 0.02; 'memory.': 0.05; 'behavior,': 0.07; 'infinite': 0.07; 'types:': 0.09; 'def': 0.15; 'argument': 0.15; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; '>>>': 0.18; 'received:209.85.210.174': 0.18; 'received:mail- iy0-f174.google.com': 0.18; 'memory': 0.21; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.22; 'pm,': 0.24; 'thu,': 0.28; '27,': 0.29; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.29; 'booth': 0.30; 'class': 0.30; "didn't": 0.31; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'however,': 0.34; 'object': 0.35; 'but': 0.37; 'received:google.com': 0.38; 'received:209.85': 0.38; 'subject:: ': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; "couldn't": 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; "it's": 0.40; 'more': 0.60; 'easily': 0.61; '10:03': 0.84; 'compelling': 0.84; 'recursion,': 0.84; 'subject:types': 0.84; '-->': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=YN7vpCTYpQyIhm+3BeNjolAzRAbytzQdhhgaaDlS3sg=; b=nSTqtCxWEYXBEoySsudKEGzaAiKjJGQV148gKqWh0UbzwHz/dqXs6pxRhEOpX6gADB UfCqbAG+iuCOBjtUURXpnNOJPcJ5eg1khaPOljXnFuenUA/9E9C9/TKlSMGWxYDNzl8g ijC892THn9rGc6RQIq5/Un/7kI2ccmQfwSNpg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4ea92dae$0$20639$426a74cc@news.free.fr> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:25:19 +1100 Subject: Re: __dict__ attribute for built-in types From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1319721922 news.xs4all.nl 6929 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:38445 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:15041 On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Duncan Booth wrote: > Types without a __dict__ use less memory. Also, if you couldn't have a > type that didn't have a `__dict__` then any `dict` would also need its > own `__dict__` which would either result in infinite memory use or > recursive dictionaries. > Easy, just self-reference. a = {} a.__dict__ is a --> True Yeah, it's recursion, but no different from types: >>> type(type) is type True If you want this behavior, you can do it easily enough. >>> class dictdict(dict): def __init__(self): self.__dict__=self >>> a=dictdict() >>> a.__dict__ is a True However, the more compelling argument is that a __slots__ object can be WAY more efficient. ChrisA