Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!cs.uu.nl!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.018 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'reject': 0.05; 'true)': 0.07; 'works.': 0.07; 'python': 0.09; '"if': 0.09; 'closest': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.10; 'language,': 0.11; 'thread': 0.11; 'language': 0.14; 'chris,': 0.16; 'basically': 0.17; 'pfxlen:0': 0.17; 'examples': 0.18; 'saying': 0.18; 'code,': 0.18; 'code.': 0.20; 'translate': 0.20; 'trying': 0.21; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; 'work.': 0.23; 'statement': 0.23; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header :In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'easiest': 0.27; 'lines': 0.28; 'fine': 0.28; 'testing.': 0.29; 'this.': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'that.': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'gets': 0.32; '-----': 0.32; 'could': 0.32; 'another': 0.33; 'that,': 0.34; 'thanks': 0.34; 'along': 0.35; "won't": 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'thank': 0.36; 'bad': 0.37; 'detail': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'store': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'where': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'lost': 0.60; 'most': 0.61; 'you.': 0.61; 'received:194': 0.61; 'stay': 0.61; "you'll": 0.62; 'is.': 0.62; 'information': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'show': 0.63; 'person,': 0.65; 'wired': 0.65; 'study': 0.66; 'disclose': 0.69; 'notice:': 0.71; 'privileged.': 0.72; 'confusing': 0.84; 'medium.': 0.91; 'incredibly': 0.96 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,715,1355094000"; d="scan'208";a="1213657" X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.sequans.com Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 12:05:20 +0100 (CET) From: Jean-Michel Pichavant To: piterrr dolinski In-Reply-To: <52a5d2ab-5cf8-483f-b0b0-15260e4bda2a@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Python Newbie MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Zimbra 7.2.0_GA_2669 (ZimbraWebClient - GC7 (Linux)/7.2.0_GA_2669) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1361531160 news.xs4all.nl 6986 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60664 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:39544 LS0tLS0gT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2FnZSAtLS0tLQo+IEhpIENocmlzLAo+IAo+IFRoYW5rcyBmb3Ig dGhpcy4gUmVnYXJkaW5nIGFtYmlndWl0eSwgeW91IHdpbGwgbmV2ZXIgZmluZCBtZSB3cml0ZQo+ IGFtYmlndW91cyBjb2RlLiBJIGRvbid0IHNhYm90YWdlIG15IG93biB3b3JrLiBCdXQgdGhlIHJl YWxpdHkgaXMKPiB0aGF0IGluIGFkZGl0aW9uIHRvIHdyaXRpbmcgbXkgb3duIGNvZGUsIEkgaGF2 ZSB0byBtYWludGFpbgo+IGV4aXN0aW5nLiBJIGZpbmQgaXQgaW5jcmVkaWJseSBjb25mdXNpbmcg dGhlbiBJIHNlZSBhIHN0YXRlbWVudAo+IGFsb25nIHRoZSBsaW5lcyBvZiAiaWYgbm90IHNvbWV0 aGluZyIgLSBoYXZlIHRvIHN0dWR5IHRoZSBjb2RlIGluCj4gZGV0YWlsIHRvIHNlZSB3aGF0IGl0 IGlzIHRlc3RpbmcuCgpJIGRvbid0IGtub3cgaG93IHRvIHJlc3BvbmQgdG8gdGhhdC4gSSBjYW5u b3Qgc2VlIHdoZXJlICJpZiBub3Qgc29tZXRoaW5nIiBnZXRzIGNvbXBsaWNhdGVkLgoKV291bGQg eW91IHVuZGVyc3RhbmQgImlmIG5vdCBib29sKHNvbWV0aGluZykiID8gQmVjYXVzZSB0aGlzIGlz IGJhc2ljYWxseSBob3cgaXQgd29ya3MuIFRoaXMgaXMgdGhlIGNsb3Nlc3QgdGhpbmcgdG8gQyAn Y2FzdHMnLiBTYXlpbmcgdGhhdCwgdHJ5aW5nIHRvIHRyYW5zbGF0ZSBhIGxhbmd1YWdlIGludG8g b25lIGFub3RoZXIgaXMgbW9zdCBvZiB0aGUgdGltZSBhIGJhZCBpZGVhLgoKcmFpbmluZyA9IGlz SXRSYWluaW5nKHRvZGF5KQoKaWYgKHJhaW5pbmcpIDoKICB0YWtlTXlVbWJyZWxsYSgpCgoKU29t ZSBwc3ljaG9wYXRoIHdpbGwgd3JpdGUgCmlmIChyYWluaW5nID09IFRydWUpCgpidXQgdGhlc2Ug YXJlIGxvc3QgdG8gbWFua2luZC4KClN0b3AgdXNpbmcgaSxqLHgsdmFyLGlkeCxjb3VudCBhbmQg eW91J2xsIGJlIGp1c3QgZmluZSB3cml0aW5nIHlvdXIgaWYgc3RhdGVtZW50cy4KCj4gSSBjb3Vs ZCBzaG93IG1vcmUgZXhhbXBsZXMgb2Ygd2hhdCBJIGZpbmQgY29uZnVzaW5nIGluIGV4aXN0aW5n IGNvZGUsCj4gYnV0IEkgZG9uJ3QgaW50ZW50IHRvIHRyb2xsLiBJJ20ganVzdCB0cnlpbmcgdG8g dW5kZXJzdGFuZCB0aGUKPiBsYW5ndWFnZSBhcyBpdCBpcy4gSSB3aWxsIHNlZSBob3cgaXQgZ29l cy4KPiAKPiBQZXRlCgpGcm9tIHRoaXMgdGhyZWFkIEkgY2FuIG9ubHkgdGVsbCB0aGF0IHlvdXIg YnJhaW4gaXMgY29tcGxldGVseSB3aXJlZCBmb3IgeW91ciBDIyBzdHlsZSBhbmQgd2lsbCByZWpl Y3QgYW55IG5ldyBjb25jZXB0IHRoYXQgZGlncmVzcyBmcm9tIEMjLgpJZiB5b3Ugc3RheSB0aGF0 IHdheSwgeW91IHdvbid0IGJlIGFibGUgdG8gbGVhcm4gYW55IG5ldyBsYW5ndWFnZSwgY29uc2lk ZXJpbmcgUHl0aG9uIGlzIG9uZSBvZiB0aGUgZWFzaWVzdCB0byBsZWFybi4KCkpNCgoKCgotLSBJ TVBPUlRBTlQgTk9USUNFOiAKClRoZSBjb250ZW50cyBvZiB0aGlzIGVtYWlsIGFuZCBhbnkgYXR0 YWNobWVudHMgYXJlIGNvbmZpZGVudGlhbCBhbmQgbWF5IGFsc28gYmUgcHJpdmlsZWdlZC4gSWYg eW91IGFyZSBub3QgdGhlIGludGVuZGVkIHJlY2lwaWVudCwgcGxlYXNlIG5vdGlmeSB0aGUgc2Vu ZGVyIGltbWVkaWF0ZWx5IGFuZCBkbyBub3QgZGlzY2xvc2UgdGhlIGNvbnRlbnRzIHRvIGFueSBv dGhlciBwZXJzb24sIHVzZSBpdCBmb3IgYW55IHB1cnBvc2UsIG9yIHN0b3JlIG9yIGNvcHkgdGhl IGluZm9ybWF0aW9uIGluIGFueSBtZWRpdW0uIFRoYW5rIHlvdS4K