Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!feeder.news-service.com!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.01; 'responding': 0.04; 'received:verizon.net': 0.07; 'terry': 0.07; 'python': 0.08; 'braces': 0.09; 'derived': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229.12': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'received:lo.gmane.org': 0.09; 'adopted': 0.16; 'indent': 0.16; 'posts.': 0.16; 'private,': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'sure,': 0.16; 'looked': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'language': 0.17; 'jan': 0.19; '(but': 0.21; 'pointed': 0.21; 'discussion': 0.22; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'dropped': 0.23; 'fine,': 0.23; 'indentation': 0.23; 'welcome.': 0.23; 'pm,': 0.24; 'code': 0.25; 'lines': 0.30; 'outer': 0.30; 'least': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.32; 'comment': 0.32; 'it.': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; '...': 0.34; 'header :User-Agent:1': 0.34; 'majority': 0.34; 'header:X-Complaints- To:1': 0.35; '(with': 0.35; 'url:python': 0.36; 'but': 0.37; 'something': 0.37; 'not,': 0.38; 'received:org': 0.38; 'subject:: ': 0.39; 'help': 0.39; 'header:Mime-Version:1': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'or,': 0.40; 'more': 0.60; 'your': 0.61; 'took': 0.63; 'free': 0.63; 'url:groups': 0.64; 'noise': 0.67; 'validate': 0.67; 'care': 0.71; 'subject:line': 0.73; 'adopt': 0.84; 'different.': 0.84; 'population.': 0.84; 'url:msg': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: allow line break at operators Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 20:15:40 -0400 References: <1312951356.77394.YahooMailNeo@web121518.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4e424208$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <1312981104.89312.YahooMailNeo@web121520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1312982377.95657.YahooMailNeo@web121508.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <87fwl9hr4r.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <4e43cb2a$0$29986$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <74c2421f-28a0-4a8d-bf74-4eebacfb74f1@d7g2000vbv.googlegroups.com> <4e45a345$0$29976$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-74-109-121-73.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1313194568 news.xs4all.nl 23952 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:40128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:11322 On 8/12/2011 6:14 PM, Seebs wrote: I am responding to your whole line of posts. I have been indenting code neatly for at least 32 years whenever the language I used allowed it. Just over 14 years ago, when Python was an obscure little known or used languge, I adopted it *because* it dropped all the redundant bracket noise and looked to me like 'executable pseudocode', as I explained (with an unfortunate misspelling) in https://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/cc25701a283a3f68 Indentation is part of that. Python-with-brackets would, to me, be something different -- sure, derived from Python, but not the same. I do not need for you to adopt and use Python to validate my choice. If you like it fine, welcome. If not, have fun with something else. I said that over a decade when this same discussion took place, and I say it now. Different brains are different. I do not care which of us is in the majority in which population. As I and others also pointed out over a decade ago, anyone is free to add insignificant comment braces (but keep that private, please) or, more sensibly, commented dedents to help the reader keep track of indent level. for... for ... if ... for ... if ... [50 more lines of code] #end outer if [more code] -- Terry Jan Reedy