Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.011 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'correct.': 0.07; 'defined,': 0.09; 'explanation': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'robust': 0.09; 'underlying': 0.09; "wouldn't": 0.11; 'cases': 0.15; 'benjamin': 0.16; 'fine.': 0.16; 'kern': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'robust.': 0.16; 'mon,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'jan': 0.18; '>>>': 0.18; 'regardless': 0.21; 'assuming': 0.22; 'fine,': 0.22; 'interpret': 0.22; "user's": 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; "doesn't": 0.28; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.28; 'fine': 0.28; '>>>>': 0.29; "d'aprano": 0.29; 'measure': 0.29; 'normal.': 0.29; 'steven': 0.29; 'no,': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'problem': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'robert': 0.35; 'received:org': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'depends': 0.36; "wasn't": 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'why': 0.37; 'data': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'mean': 0.38; 'sure': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'skip:" 10': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'remove': 0.61; 'world': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'other.': 0.64; 'our': 0.65; 'medical': 0.66; 'believe': 0.69; 'hand': 0.82; '2013': 0.84; 'eco': 0.84; 'median': 0.84; 'oscar': 0.84; 'subject:removal': 0.84; 'terrible': 0.84; 'trial)': 0.84; 'mean.': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Robert Kern Subject: Re: Numpy outlier removal Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:35:05 +0000 References: <50ea28e7$0$30003$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <50ea58f0$0$21851$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.1.240.226 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1357572924 news.xs4all.nl 6975 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:46191 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:36357 On 07/01/2013 15:20, Oscar Benjamin wrote: > On 7 January 2013 05:11, Steven D'Aprano > wrote: >> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 02:29:27 +0000, Oscar Benjamin wrote: >> >>> On 7 January 2013 01:46, Steven D'Aprano >>> wrote: >>>> On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 19:44:08 +0000, Joseph L. Casale wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm not sure that this approach is statistically robust. No, let me be >>>> even more assertive: I'm sure that this approach is NOT statistically >>>> robust, and may be scientifically dubious. >>> >>> Whether or not this is "statistically robust" requires more explanation >>> about the OP's intention. >> >> Not really. Statistics robustness is objectively defined, and the user's >> intention doesn't come into it. The mean is not a robust measure of >> central tendency, the median is, regardless of why you pick one or the >> other. > > Okay, I see what you mean. I wasn't thinking of robustness as a > technical term but now I see that you are correct. > > Perhaps what I should have said is that whether or not this matters > depends on the problem at hand (hopefully this isn't an important > medical trial) and the particular type of data that you have; assuming > normality is fine in many cases even if the data is not "really" > normal. "Having outliers" literally means that assuming normality is not fine. If assuming normality were fine, then you wouldn't need to remove outliers. -- Robert Kern "I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth." -- Umberto Eco