Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!news.mb-net.net!open-news-network.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.021 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'cpython': 0.05; 'represents': 0.05; 'exit': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; "(i'm": 0.16; 'numpy': 0.16; 'objects.': 0.16; 'operation,': 0.16; 'subject:recursion': 0.16; 'this)': 0.16; 'threads,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'basically': 0.19; 'certainly': 0.24; 'subject:problem': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'regardless': 0.24; 'header :In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'function': 0.29; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'overhead': 0.31; 'probably': 0.32; 'running': 0.33; 'subject:the': 0.34; "can't": 0.35; 'except': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'done': 0.36; 'doing': 0.36; 'starting': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'depends': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'skip:p 20': 0.39; 'release': 0.40; 'ian': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'include:': 0.61; 'yes': 0.68; '26,': 0.68; '40%': 0.84; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=NpfsIdZHCn8UtGEMUOHS0RO9RdB7meEpd78oZScHl8g=; b=ZpqzyyRR3Cg8DUz0MF5OvZlCtvAKhVidvoVDLPQ3/4RnRUosX6rexGsvKnYT+1J3by eYV8/swUtxujZTEJA+flxleOXg/z6TGV7DlBmdAZcR7epQo5YsKPf91Z4BYoHALDe25S z7ghUewbxGaomXTJCD8y6Fm+0p/gM42A9yhgNMC5EUly3EJXhACiecYNoc8tOFEPu74v 8A55ZkrxVKSjVLoyFJhgxmldN4Ez0e12ewPTuCevcRZ/lJ0PSh9axYas7B6MG7CWL+Ol IBzpJ/NdW00osPjgfoBUKdSN8fwfukUJF+BaD65Ksxd6Z40EvNFyu7C/vG0Rc4w0ZLK0 hdAg== X-Received: by 10.66.230.199 with SMTP id ta7mr29073587pac.153.1369635610595; Sun, 26 May 2013 23:20:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <55942e65-e4a5-45fc-b2fc-ceb4020959dd@k4g2000vba.googlegroups.com> <074eac8a-1bc4-4fe0-afa9-1f52405f81d5@k3g2000vbn.googlegroups.com> From: Ian Kelly Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 00:19:30 -0600 Subject: Re: Solving the problem of mutual recursion To: Python Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1369635613 news.xs4all.nl 15967 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:36435 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:46173 On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 5:35 AM, Ian Kelly wrote: >> I'm pretty sure that CPython uses the GIL regardless of platform. And >> yes you can have multiple OS-level threads, but because of the GIL >> only one will actually be running at a time. Other possibilities >> include: > > 6) It's spinning in a function that has released the GIL. Python > threads can certainly execute concurrently; they just can't be > manipulating Python objects. Most of the I/O functions will release > the GIL before doing a potentially-blocking operation, and some > CPU-heavy functions can do the same (I'm given to understand that > numpy does this) - just depends on having a long job that involves no > refcounted objects. 7) Since the program being tested does basically nothing except start and exit threads, the extra 40% probably represents the overhead of all that starting and stopping, which would be done outside the GIL.