Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!feeder.news-service.com!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!194.109.133.85.MISMATCH!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'definitions': 0.07; 'through,': 0.07; 'worse': 0.07; 'python': 0.08; 'argument,': 0.09; 'arguments,': 0.09; 'definitions.': 0.09; 'from:addr:python': 0.09; 'integer,': 0.09; 'myself,': 0.09; 'sake': 0.09; 'wrappers': 0.09; 'programmer': 0.10; 'float': 0.13; 'def': 0.15; 'forum.': 0.16; 'from:addr:mrabarnett.plus.com': 0.16; 'from:name:mrab': 0.16; 'message-id:@mrabarnett.plus.com': 0.16; 'ported': 0.16; 'quant': 0.16; 'received:84.92': 0.16; 'received:84.92.122': 0.16; 'received:84.92.122.60': 0.16; 'received:84.93': 0.16; 'received:84.93.230': 0.16; 'reply-to:addr :python-list': 0.16; 'subject:?)': 0.16; 'subject:Java': 0.16; 'xs:': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'arguments': 0.18; 'int': 0.18; 'java,': 0.19; 'java': 0.21; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'work,': 0.23; 'default,': 0.23; 'optional': 0.23; 'code': 0.25; 'tests': 0.25; 'code.': 0.26; "i'm": 0.27; 'function': 0.27; '(the': 0.28; 'classes': 0.28; 'raise': 0.28; 'received:84': 0.28; 'second': 0.29; 'asking': 0.29; 'least': 0.31; 'does': 0.32; 'implement': 0.32; "what's": 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; "i've": 0.34; '...': 0.34; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.34; '(as': 0.34; 'test': 0.34; 'reply-to:addr:python.org': 0.34; 'uses': 0.35; 'question': 0.36; 'problems': 0.36; 'another': 0.37; 'sequence': 0.37; 'with.': 0.37; 'but': 0.37; 'forgive': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'should': 0.38; 'subject:: ': 0.39; 'finding': 0.39; 'option': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'third': 0.40; "it's": 0.40; 'more': 0.60; 'immediate': 0.63; 'forum': 0.64; 'natural': 0.65; 'due': 0.66; 'nothing.': 0.67; 'mountain': 0.68; 'header:Reply-To:1': 0.71; 'readers': 0.71; 'reply-to:no real name:2**0': 0.71; 'elaborate': 0.84; 'float)': 0.84; 'cope': 0.91 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlkbAORjRU5UXebj/2dsb2JhbABBmHCOfA13gUABAQU4Mw0RCwgQCRYPCQMCAQIBDTgTCAEBh227BYZHBItdSYt2i2Y Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:35:46 +0100 From: MRAB User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Java is killing me! 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References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: python-list@python.org List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 73 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1313170612 news.xs4all.nl 23866 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:41533 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:11293 On 12/08/2011 18:02, kj wrote: > > > > *Please* forgive me for asking a Java question in a Python forum. > My only excuse for this no-no is that a Python forum is more likely > than a Java one to have among its readers those who have had to > deal with the same problems I'm wrestling with. > > Due to my job, I have to port some Python code to Java, and write > tests for the ported code. (Yes, I've considered finding myself > another job, but this is not an option in the immediate future.) > > What's giving me the hardest time is that the original Python code > uses a lot of functions with optional arguments (as is natural to > do in Python). > > As far as I can tell (admittedly I'm no Java expert, and have not > programmed in it since 2001), to implement a Java method with n > optional arguments, one needs at least 2**n method definitions. > Even if all but one of these definitions are simple wrappers that > call the one that does all the work, it's still a lot of code to > wade through, for nothing. > > That's bad enough, but even worse is writing the unit tests for > the resulting mountain of fluffCode. I find myself writing test > classes whose constructors also require 2**n definitions, one for > each form of the function to be tested... > > I ask myself, how does the journeyman Python programmer cope with > such nonsense? > > For the sake of concreteness, consider the following run-of-the-mill > Python function of 3 arguments (the first argument, xs, is expected > to be either a float or a sequence of floats; the second and third > arguments, an int and a float, are optional): > > def quant(xs, nlevels=MAXN, xlim=MAXX): > if not hasattr(xs, '__iter__'): > return spam((xs,), n, xlim)[0] > > if _bad_quant_args(xs, nlevels, xlim): > raise TypeError("invalid arguments") > > retval = [] > for x in xs: > # ... > # elaborate acrobatics that set y > # ... > retval.append(y) > > return retval > > My Java implementation of it already requires at least 8 method > definitions, with signatures: > [snip] I would declare: short[] quant (float[], int , float) short quant (Float , Integer, Float) and see how it goes. "float" and "int" should be boxed to "Float" and "Integer" automatically. If the second and third arguments are frequently the default, then I would also declare: short[] quant (float[]) short quant (Float )