Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!selfless.tophat.at!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.006 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'cpython': 0.07; 'python': 0.08; 'concurrency': 0.09; 'def': 0.12; 'containers': 0.16; 'margin.': 0.16; 'pypy': 0.16; 'subject:GIL': 0.16; 'subject:alternative': 0.16; 't.start()': 0.16; 'threading': 0.16; 'threads:': 0.16; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.21; 'java': 0.21; "aren't": 0.22; 'gil': 0.23; 'received:209.85.210.174': 0.23; 'received:mail-iy0-f174.google.com': 0.23; 'pass': 0.27; "i'm": 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.28; '.net': 0.29; 'import': 0.29; 'elements': 0.29; 'class': 0.29; 'code,': 0.29; 'least': 0.30; 'know:': 0.30; 'threads': 0.30; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'thinking': 0.34; 'daniel': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.37; 'received:209.85': 0.37; 'thread': 0.37; 'but': 0.38; 'matters': 0.38; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; "i'd": 0.39; 'received:209': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'getting': 0.40; 'best': 0.60; 'corrupted': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=yfediMNHpsNMK41Y9i8lBmOh19j1F5ZImnNRy1u39WU=; b=aQYn2FE+6EG9D+juqnOFtOSjZa3ZuY+useHc0WJQprolOQR1uhCeMHkutEIf1fJqv5 C3RtR78frTfHeyiI4TtK68z+QSE5qqmBc9YL0CFpyto2NIhpN6YqXgBU3fqq308XWgk5 ibB1A3vbNyWjIMKXMvxNqdq6yBR4dFHqd/27A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=N+pTN/B8a685jZttdwv9XjNwKzXGq0ZCq7t0suJH00XBPWjYGtUJ9A30Jl46zqLGUl 3DwqS4ZyQcSJBN8ntTH6Gy6tKJfKZ+EESgUzuurr5K9Hlk0C/9oaWAnJXcVkGXtx+931 c532mxiFXOtbhRtagNudaspqE+9WnLj1Ukc5M= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4DE015EA.4040600@gmail.com> References: <4DE015EA.4040600@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 13:06:43 +1100 Subject: Re: GIL in alternative implementations From: Daniel Kluev To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 47 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1306548406 news.xs4all.nl 49042 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:59924 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:6446 > So I'd like to know: how do these other implementations handle concurrency > matters for their primitive types, and prevent them from getting corrupted > in multithreaded programs (if they do) ? I'm not only thinking about python > types, but also primitive containers and types used in .Net and Java VMs, > which aren't atomic elements either at an assembly-level point of view. Well, they definitely have some shortcomings: test.py: from threading import Thread class X(object): pass obj = X() obj.x = 0 def f(*args): for i in range(10000): obj.x += 1 threads = [] for i in range(100): t = Thread(target=f) threads.append(t) t.start() for t in threads: while t.isAlive(): t.join(1) print(obj.x) > python test.py 1000000 > pypy test.py 1000000 > jython-2.5 test.py 19217 > ipy test.py 59040 Not that this thing is reasonable to do in real code, but cpython and other implementations with GIL at least give you some safety margin. -- With best regards, Daniel Kluev