Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'argument': 0.05; 'string.': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'explicit': 0.07; 'granted,': 0.07; 'arguments': 0.09; 'defines': 0.09; 'exception.': 0.09; 'raises': 0.09; 'shifting': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'def': 0.12; 'bytecode': 0.16; 'declaration': 0.16; 'exceptions,': 0.16; 'foo():': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; "function's": 0.16; 'here"': 0.16; 'none.': 0.16; 'roy': 0.16; 'sequence,': 0.16; 'statement.': 0.16; 'unreachable': 0.16; 'exception': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'print': 0.22; '(by': 0.24; 'this:': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'function': 0.29; 'possibility': 0.29; 'raise': 0.29; 'thus': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'statement': 0.30; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'prints': 0.31; 'fri,': 0.33; 'could': 0.34; 'subject:with': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'raising': 0.36; 'returning': 0.36; 'possible': 0.36; 'nov': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'fact': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'name': 0.63; 'design,': 0.64; 'stand': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'smith': 0.68; 'subject:your': 0.76; '1:18': 0.91; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=JkiP4A4/MpOK6v+iJ++iRi3g9IJGy7Y98PWsMrlbkz4=; b=V2zU4Ps5jnpYz8voEEFvWQageJziuyegfNoFeSMcKrOle6mxWttvpnXVV4OuxmRBcQ r0yUxd020xey9fqMyeBtm4FZOT9tDWnSbxR49kcG+r1AfGFAatgptTaeIArDfWmIxsah vPqpREAu0TVEl0mIp/e4tuVQ1GLXZwAD358vWzwp7coK+Hb2Y/qqtjNf4q+A+0f1hY47 wIQyvv5TejuJemHBKAXU88+D6ItOOjjplCozkCHP+bTiPxGBHSlUWKx1xj9gDhbALoNv 0X3IoFDbXCEXXHPj8gpnulmMTTucSUI6LWc8tsY2ADbjl0xnb/xfDAlLbQewMHc8LUly Lhyw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.157.165 with SMTP id wn5mr13133147pab.169.1383877581828; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 18:26:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <82328ec8-7178-4a17-abfe-13d444fab9cf@googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 13:26:21 +1100 Subject: Re: Show off your Python chops and compete with others From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1383877585 news.xs4all.nl 15872 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:50021 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:58734 On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Roy Smith wrote: > It's not a shifting goalpost. My original statement was that: > > def foo(): > raise Exception > > defines a function which 1) has no explicit return statement and 2) does > not return None. I stand by that statement. There is no possible > codepath, no possible calling sequence, no possible execution > environment, which will cause that function to return None. That fact > that one particular Python implementation happens to produce unreachable > bytecode for returning None is meaningless. Would you say that: > > def baz(): > return None > print "I got here" > > is a function which prints "I got here"? Granted, but I would describe this: def foo(x): return "Hello, world!\n" + str(x) as a function which returns a string. Is it? Well, not if str raises an exception. Even if the only arguments you can give to foo will result in exceptions, I would still say that, per design, this is a function that returns a string. The possibility of raising an exception (and thus not returning anything) doesn't change a function's return type (by which I mean more than just what C would use as the declaration - I could just as well say "Returns the name of an employee", and the same argument would apply). ChrisA