Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.etla.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.052 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.90; '*S*': 0.00; 'programmer': 0.03; 'convention,': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'salaried': 0.09; 'subject:into': 0.09; 'message-id:@4ax.com': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; "someone's": 0.16; 'ignore': 0.16; 'work,': 0.20; 'url:home': 0.24; 'least': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'that.': 0.31; 'contractor': 0.31; 'subject:Database': 0.31; "they'll": 0.31; 'figure': 0.32; 'themselves': 0.32; 'text': 0.33; 'fri,': 0.33; 'maybe': 0.34; 'common': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'half': 0.37; 'list.': 0.37; 'received:76': 0.38; 'nov': 0.38; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'contract': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'lost': 0.61; 'rates': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; "you'll": 0.62; 'offering': 0.63; 'here': 0.66; 'price': 0.69; 'euro': 0.69; 'hour': 0.70; '*for': 0.91; 'sick': 0.93; 'ads': 0.97; '2013': 0.98 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Dennis Lee Bieber Subject: Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 19:22:37 -0500 Organization: IISS Elusive Unicorn References: <527ab42e$1@news.synserver.de> <346d2eaf-d535-4697-bc30-e0c2d55984ad@googlegroups.com> <8dfc8c99-4a15-4fc6-a42e-e5155077e147@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-76-249-31-106.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186 X-No-Archive: YES X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1383870170 news.xs4all.nl 15992 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:35691 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:58720 On Fri, 8 Nov 2013 01:33:16 +1100, Chris Angelico declaimed the following: > >(Please don't start your text with a double-hyphen - that's a common >convention for the start of your signature, and many people and UAs >will ignore text after it.) > The convention, properly, is hyphen-hyphen-space-newline. >20 Euro won't buy you much in the way of programmer time. Most job ads >I've seen are offering at least $50/hr for salaried work, and contract >work will start a lot higher than that. (I don't know how rates are in >Europe, but they'll be roughly in the same ball-park.) Your figure >would buy you maybe half an hour of someone's time... if you're lucky. >Most likely it's not even on anyone's radar. Perhaps now you'll have >some appreciation of how much you get *for nothing* here on this list. > And that $50-salaried is because things like health insurance, paid sick leave, and paid vacation time are included. A contractor has to price themselves to include lost time [no one is paying a contractor to take a week off for vacation]. -- Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN wlfraed@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/