Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.029 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.94; '*S*': 0.00; 'finite': 0.09; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.10; 'subject:python': 0.11; 'library': 0.15; 'imposing': 0.16; 'python;': 0.16; 'right:': 0.16; 'subject:Feedback': 0.16; 'string': 0.17; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'restrictions': 0.17; 'sort': 0.21; 'ctypes': 0.22; 'libraries': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; 'purposes': 0.23; 'installed': 0.23; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.25; '(as': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'chris': 0.28; 'cases.': 0.29; 'source': 0.29; 'install': 0.29; 'framework': 0.30; 'received:209.85.210.174': 0.30; 'function': 0.30; 'error': 0.30; 'impression': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'nature': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'serve': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'announce': 0.36; 'modules': 0.36; 'anything': 0.36; 'correctly': 0.37; 'october': 0.37; 'does': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'easier': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'things': 0.38; 'nothing': 0.38; 'release': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'further': 0.61; 'situation': 0.62; 'p.s.': 0.63; 'therefore': 0.65; 'bridge': 0.66; 'productivity': 0.78; 'oscar': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=h8r2U8+Rb7VoDdm5BMmLXclIFkAxxtlZ7ZeO+YEivtg=; b=RbiNZOWXyCyU8mnAvMM7QTNemKeoLPQwzndd255kurkDRQFfEnijMuD1K6K+PsRHAw A/UYIKcxPExcezy/wzJ3lnwIjo4nmA1DjIKp/8+PwQEb/68I4kMQ/1AtQe0h+nWXC0wt Uf9i1T1zIUsuTh/9rZYgtsokk+Oksw6laNs2iwJ0OSp3KPlwpQaRH5RlKk8kq5a/J2CG eO+lxcS6Ek5x0DDXg3r1iHUmd3mZyZ5JtSXNThKHArfe1QwvI+jSv+qRf80FMslVRQK6 0x+/g06sCGUh2c7giMNYAtA/g7ougDbFmHPrMWibpiq3JDsqZGDqTDNmWcm1MNQ16S1C dzWw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <634c9dca-e64d-40c6-b9d5-cf04a86a220a@googlegroups.com> <4c7a82ca-de0c-4b8b-a128-9ecd1b4c8b31@googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 01:43:52 +0100 Subject: Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building. From: Oscar Benjamin To: Chris Angelico Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1350175435 news.xs4all.nl 6870 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:56660 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:31231 On 13 October 2012 17:48, Chris Angelico wrote: > > The only way to support *absolutely everything* is to do nothing - to > be a framework so thin you're invisible. (That's not to say you're > useless; there are bridge modules that do exactly this - ctypes can > call on any library function from Python; it must therefore abstract > away nothing. But that's a very specific sort of case.) Anything else > must by nature make some things easier and some things harder. Without further ado I announce the release of my new library that simultaneously does everything and nothing. It can be installed with: pip install '' That's right: the library's name is the empty string (as it's source and documentation). Don't be fooled by the error message from pip: the library was correctly installed before you ran the command! Other libraries have failed by imposing restrictions on usage in an attempt to better serve a mere finite number of use cases. This library is *equally optimal* for an uncountably infinite number of purposes and comes with the strong guarantee that it will never decrease your productivity in any situation whatsoever! Oscar P.S. I also have not taken 10 minutes to read the documentation for giotto as I get the impression that is not relevant to any of my own use cases.