Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder2.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.022 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'advocate': 0.07; 'admins': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'security.': 0.09; 'arbitrarily': 0.16; 'factory': 0.16; 'hackers': 0.16; 'nodes': 0.16; 'people)': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'roy': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '>>>': 0.22; 'admin': 0.22; 'header :User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'lets': 0.24; 'url:moin': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; '(like': 0.30; 'technology.': 0.30; 'url:wiki': 0.31; '25,': 0.31; '>>>>': 0.31; 'coded': 0.31; 'globally': 0.31; 'universal': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'url:python': 0.33; 'whom': 0.33; 'implemented': 0.33; "can't": 0.35; 'anywhere': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'controls': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'behind': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'level': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'server': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'read': 0.60; 'new': 0.61; 'world.': 0.61; 'john': 0.61; 'course': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; "you've": 0.63; 'such': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'phone': 0.66; 'it!': 0.67; '26,': 0.68; 'smith': 0.68; 'article': 0.77; 'confusing': 0.84; 'firewalls': 0.84; 'received:89': 0.85; 'hands': 0.96; '2013': 0.98 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Python Magazine Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 04:20:27 +0100 References: <27969350-4dd8-4afa-881a-b4a2364b3cf1@googlegroups.com> <51a0caac$0$30002$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <7cd17be8-d455-4db8-b8d0-ccc757db5cff@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-89-240-174-199.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130525-1, 25/05/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1369538706 news.xs4all.nl 15910 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:54040 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:46033 On 26/05/2013 02:58, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Roy Smith wrote: >> In article <7cd17be8-d455-4db8-b8d0-ccc757db5cff@googlegroups.com>, >> John Ladasky wrote: >> >>> On Saturday, May 25, 2013 8:30:19 AM UTC-7, Roy Smith wrote: >>>> From my phone, I >>>> can call any other phone anywhere in the world. But I can't talk >>>> directly to the file server in my neighbor's house across the street? >>> >>> Hmmm... I've been an advocate of IPv6, but... now you've got me thinking of >>> what Iran's new cadre of hackers might do with it! :^) >> >> You (like many people) are confusing universal addressability with >> universal connectivity. The converse of that is people confusing NAT >> with security. >> >> Of course not every IPv6 endpoint will be able to talk to every other >> IPv6 endpoint, even if the both have globally unique addresses. But, >> the access controls will be implemented in firewalls with appropriately >> coded security policies. Not as an accident of being behind a NAT box. > > To be more specific: The control of who can talk to whom is in the > hands of the admins of the two endpoints and the nodes in between, > rather than being arbitrarily in the hands of the technology. So I > would be able to talk to the file server across the street, but only > IF its admin lets me. > > ChrisA > By such means as leaving the top level admin password set to the factory default? :) -- If you're using GoogleCrap™ please read this http://wiki.python.org/moin/GoogleGroupsPython. Mark Lawrence