Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.008 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'licenses': 0.04; 'open- source': 0.04; 'ownership': 0.05; '21,': 0.07; 'gpl': 0.07; 'so?': 0.07; 'apache,': 0.09; 'rules.': 0.09; ':-)': 0.13; 'steve': 0.13; 'mit,': 0.16; "steve's": 0.16; 'subject:GUI': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'thu,': 0.17; '>>>': 0.18; 'developer': 0.19; 'feb': 0.19; 'fairly': 0.21; 'proprietary': 0.23; 'downloaded': 0.24; 'header :In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'am,': 0.27; 'correct': 0.28; 'chris': 0.28; '>>>>': 0.29; 'argue': 0.29; 'freedom,': 0.29; 'implies': 0.29; 'that.': 0.30; 'expect': 0.31; 'code': 0.31; 'received:74.125.82': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; "can't": 0.34; 'changed': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'community': 0.35; 'doing': 0.35; 'pm,': 0.35; 'subject:?': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'michael': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'message- id:@gmail.com': 0.36; 'received:74.125': 0.36; 'depends': 0.36; 'being': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'things': 0.38; 'description': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:192': 0.39; 'received:192.168': 0.40; 'personally': 0.61; 'free': 0.61; 'situation': 0.62; 'license': 0.65; 'subject:there': 0.65; 'header :Reply-To:1': 0.68; 'reply-to:no real name:2**0': 0.72; 'commercial': 0.73; 'reply-to:addr:gmail.com': 0.79; '2013': 0.84; 'remained': 0.84; 'simmons': 0.84; 'hands': 0.97 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=qwb7ZFv2/LadVA5V5Zn2lh9pgLK8iawf48UdcHmHO8Y=; b=OnaR3CwYnNqyJtgPleDnTDlL/YOoO+ogMOiGq3g6m3f+H+Fzqi0tQ0R5M4FON7/PFm 7IlacX0l2Ljuvt7YGR5Ia6Ao0GYsbsySWXZ+I4pBIPT1yz0pt6ABDzTEdsYuJNku65pa 23m2faiRReMv1WhyWV06635Rplr56dC9Y4R33sq6d3VfJjcW1m0N4XHsA6uMYe7cXqWk tncRw4qu4YFc6b/5hDW1IT9zo040TUKavKvOlydZYi3CwGSYolHu7cB1sENOs4uRY2j9 26bFo0Xh2rW9Opt5ikU6hk1HfwBi/kAMAuD40vmzBkzmFmDSKWn3tvOGNb/Sd31MXBW4 bmCg== X-Received: by 10.194.90.168 with SMTP id bx8mr16422281wjb.59.1361441935360; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 02:18:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 11:18:52 +0100 From: Steve Simmons User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder? References: <51247EDD.3010500@gmail.com> <51259854.9040909@gmail.com> <95B0E869-C5BE-4179-BFF9-A112A128C388@rgbaz.eu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: square.steve@gmail.com List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1361441942 news.xs4all.nl 6942 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:32988 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:39412 On 21/02/2013 11:08, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 8:20 PM, PythonAB wrote: >> On 21 feb 2013, at 04:45, Michael Torrie wrote: >> >>> On 02/20/2013 12:44 AM, Steve Simmons wrote: >>>> 2. Qt isn't 'free' (depending on what you are going to be doing with it) >>>> - read the licensing rules. >>> How so? It's LGPL. You can't get much freer than that. Both in terms of >>> code and developer freedom, and proprietary freedom. >> well that can be discussed... (BSD, MIT, Apache, CDDL) > You can argue about which is the "best" license to use (I don't > personally like the GPL and LGPL, and don't use them on my creations), > but Steve's description that its free status depends on what you're > doing with it implies a fairly major violation of the principles of > software freedom, which I would expect *all* the popular open-source > licenses to be correct on. > > ChrisA I downloaded my copy when Qt was in Nokia's hands at which time there was a paid for license for commercial development and a 'free' community license. I thought that situation remained but if things have changed since the change of ownership (guardianship?), then I apologise for being out of date - as so many parts of me are :-) Steve