Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.redatomik.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.104 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.80; '*S*': 0.00; 'sql.': 0.07; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; ':-)': 0.14; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'sqlalchemy': 0.16; 'sqlalchemy,': 0.16; 'term.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'later': 0.16; 'foundation': 0.19; 'library': 0.20; 'tkinter': 0.22; 'code.': 0.23; '2015': 0.23; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.26; '+0200,': 0.27; 'assembly': 0.29; 'dan': 0.29; 'once.': 0.29; 'sensible': 0.29; 'fri,': 0.31; "can't": 0.32; 'language.': 0.32; 'though,': 0.32; 'point': 0.33; 'advice': 0.35; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.35; 'database,': 0.35; 'problem.': 0.35; 'tool': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'some': 0.40; 'firm': 0.60; 'learn': 0.60; 'your': 0.60; 'back': 0.61; 'necessarily': 0.61; 'future': 0.61; 'skip:u 10': 0.62; 'more': 0.62; 'making': 0.64; '8bit%:21': 0.70; 'skip:\xe2 10': 0.70; '_o__)': 0.84; 'bite': 0.84; 'cecil': 0.84; 'extent.': 0.84; 'received:125': 0.84; 'subject:good': 0.84; 'subject:tool': 0.84; 'westerhof': 0.84; 'religion': 0.91; 'hand,': 0.97 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Re: Camelot a good tool for me Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 23:02:25 +1000 References: <87zj4xoxfd.fsf@Equus.decebal.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jigong.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-pubkey.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:R6FUTmuNMiQ+q2oOr8eI+nyNeAs= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1432299756 news.xs4all.nl 2944 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:51542 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:91035 Dan Sommers writes: > On Fri, 22 May 2015 09:59:02 +0200, Cecil Westerhof wrote: > > > Would Camelot be a good tool to get me started, or can I better bite > > the bullet and just start with Tkinter and SQLAlchemy? > > Bite the bullet and learn SQL. Good advice in the long term. However, one can't learn *everything* at once. Cecil, use SQLAlchemy and you will have a firm foundation that will not hold you back from learning SQL at some future point; on the other hand, you will be using a library that makes it *much* more sensible to work with database structures and queries from yuor Python code. The same is not necessarily true of a lot of database APIs; they will frequently simplify to the point of obscuring your understanding of the database, and learning SQL later is hindered to that extent. SQLAlchemy, though, does not have that problem. > SQLAlchemy -> Database :: Python -> Assembly Language. I think you're making my point for me :-) -- \ “Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion | `\ is answers that may never be questioned.” —anonymous | _o__) | Ben Finney