Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!selfless.tophat.at!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'instance': 0.05; 'builtins': 0.07; 'terry': 0.07; 'confuse': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229.12': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'received:lo.gmane.org': 0.09; 'def': 0.12; 'am,': 0.14; 'wrote:': 0.14; '###': 0.16; '(1,': 0.16; '(list)': 0.16; 'confusing.': 0.16; 'insist': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'subject:behavior': 0.16; 'tries': 0.16; 'subject:list': 0.19; 'keyword': 0.19; 'jan': 0.20; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.21; 'correct,': 0.23; 'skip:b 20': 0.23; 'later': 0.26; 'example': 0.27; 'bugs': 0.29; 'import': 0.29; 'class': 0.29; 'calling': 0.31; 'usage': 0.32; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.32; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.33; 'list': 0.33; 'things': 0.33; 'showing': 0.34; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.35; '(with': 0.36; 'received:org': 0.38; 'could': 0.38; 'but': 0.38; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'header :Mime-Version:1': 0.39; 'list,': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'human': 0.62; 'note:': 0.63; 'ever': 0.64; 'here': 0.66; 'become': 0.72; 'which.': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: Puzzled by list-appending behavior Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 14:44:52 -0400 References: <16c21256-48df-416a-971f-de49ca4cc981@x6g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> <201105261718.36646.akabaila@pcug.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: rain.gmane.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 In-Reply-To: <201105261718.36646.akabaila@pcug.org.au> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1306435511 news.xs4all.nl 49047 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:44440 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:6335 On 5/26/2011 3:18 AM, Algis Kabaila wrote: > And why do you insist on calling an instance of list, "list"? Even a > human reader will confuse which is which. What you are showing is an > example how confusing things become when a keyword (list) is > over-written (with list instance). (Minor note: 'list' is not a keyword (if it were, it could not be over-ridden) but it is a builtin.) You are correct, it is confusing. Such usage will also lead to bugs if one ever tries to access the class as 'list' later in the program. Here is a legitimate usage of builtins masking: import builtins def list(iterable): print('building list from {}: {}'.format(type(iterable),iterable)) return builtins.list(iterable) a = list((1,2,3)) b = list({1,2,3}) ### building list from : (1, 2, 3) building list from : {1, 2, 3} -- Terry Jan Reedy