Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.047 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.91; '*S*': 0.00; 'frameworks': 0.05; 'programmer': 0.11; 'subject:python': 0.11; 'sat,': 0.15; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'oct': 0.16; 'subject:Feedback': 0.16; "up'": 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'basically': 0.17; 'all,': 0.21; 'do.': 0.21; 'modifying': 0.22; 'for?': 0.23; 'task': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'setting': 0.26; 'guess': 0.27; 'separate': 0.27; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'decide': 0.28; 'trouble': 0.28; 'fighting': 0.29; 'forces': 0.29; 'usually': 0.30; 'framework': 0.30; '(and': 0.32; 'system,': 0.32; 'much.': 0.33; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.33; 'front': 0.33; 'likely': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'awesome': 0.35; 'said,': 0.35; 'doing': 0.35; 'pm,': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'created': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'too': 0.36; 'skip:p 20': 0.36; 'author': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'easily': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'end': 0.40; 'think': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'easy': 0.60; 'most': 0.61; 'you.': 0.61; 'is.': 0.62; 'times': 0.63; 'show': 0.63; 'designers': 0.75; 'actually,': 0.84; 'flip': 0.84; 'immune': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=V0kr63UyfHS9wpdknsuu8X6uoN3eecLlclH1TBDapZ0=; b=rr/6QJtnCGaHzjlmpTLs2Z5GSyOtNrpaQvNnIzeYYhv41mc6S4OOEL/hL56lW4MFOm sY47LVumt7jT0jnMTGVAj3z84dN2AHWytxc2/Cpc9ZOpXV9NLSBNRWYkKi2A2ANxcnST NeQqQ+sqc0rFrqA+0YyqbGllyk1Gf8sxb2hbrPrwaDWDqlyNwxXjCNvoi0o3r8e8Smx3 BAZy+GD7Nf1YGda82TDEBEqUA7gHJ+RK7rNYYOK3AMXX1ni+aTCQQ6Lcny21GQmgRkdk X1v7HY2K7o09maRWWY3/wqX9ldffBmhzzuOKNzfulmdLVNBKa8x9WHcaBvWFMDIGzMdF /Ruw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <634c9dca-e64d-40c6-b9d5-cf04a86a220a@googlegroups.com> References: <634c9dca-e64d-40c6-b9d5-cf04a86a220a@googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 01:12:30 +1100 Subject: Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building. From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1350137553 news.xs4all.nl 6987 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:54833 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:31197 On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 3:49 PM, wrote: > Basically its a framework that forces the developer(s) to strictly separa= te the model from the view and controller. You can 'hook up' multiple contr= ollers to a project. The model layer can be completely mocked out so front = end designers don't have to bother setting up Postgres/rabbitmq/whatever. I don't like frameworks that force too much. Actually, I guess that means I don't like frameworks at all, I like toolsets. Let the programmer decide what he wants to do. That said, though, there are times when a good framework can do 90% of your work for you. The trouble comes when you want to do something the author didn't think of - you might well end up either fighting against the system, or modifying the framework to suit your task (and that works only if you created it yourself). Thin frameworks are usually immune to this, but on the flip side, they're less likely to be doing most of your work for you. It's really easy to demo something and show how awesome it is. How easily can it be turned to a task it was never built for? ChrisA