Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.014 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'subsequent': 0.04; 'differently': 0.07; 'editor.': 0.09; 'rules.': 0.09; 'gui': 0.11; '11:09': 0.16; 'agreed,': 0.16; 'builder.': 0.16; 'clarified': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'subject:GUI': 0.16; 'tending': 0.16; 'wed,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'feb': 0.19; 'putting': 0.20; 'sort': 0.21; 'builder': 0.22; 'statement': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'looks': 0.26; 'rules': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'run': 0.28; 'app.': 0.29; 'reward': 0.29; 'window': 0.30; 'basic': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; '(and': 0.32; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'described': 0.35; 'problem,': 0.35; 'pm,': 0.35; 'subject:?': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'alone': 0.36; 'visual': 0.36; 'does': 0.37; 'rather': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'where': 0.40; 'think': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'matter': 0.61; 'therefore': 0.65; '20,': 0.65; 'subject:there': 0.65; '2013': 0.84; 'are)': 0.84; 'nagy': 0.84; 'visually': 0.84; 'graphical': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0IDs2wmIplYoaFhu+2glzz6K+2DK0zP06GykwbuHVhc=; b=rP9hrULYcCDuIULuQsjEXMSteQIIolNPFjmek8upXIDU8THVYxDYeHTyI0N2aB2f7o 5aLJ7ed0cpwOc4wUTC4futHJ0/IK4rsycEpwGqc9llKMeh7mj6gmwfxloFbpmabb8AvD iMIoxljw6dQ19jrpShR0wdRZe1jmo7v656tEP5QMbGGrmwifW/lSH4h3DHcoBhskN/CP O6k/iyUPCDG8wHacvvxgj7d1NMazVbyeoTFawQsJ2M5C18Vikd9RkPbIvWJzy3JgBD9M Cg3CZVnheQK/syfSZEPxNo8JHRXdL+vcSEwldMHEigM5Ygi431OtFW+birqRYMitLFsw D+2Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.29.209 with SMTP id m17mr16586048vdh.111.1361362499452; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:14:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5124BCE3.5070102@shopzeus.com> References: <5124BCE3.5070102@shopzeus.com> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 23:14:57 +1100 Subject: Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder? From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1361362501 news.xs4all.nl 6937 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60621 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:39355 On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Laszlo Nagy wrote: > >> You have to think about your window differently - think about what >> you're putting where, rather than going visually "that looks about >> right" - but the reward is that it'll look right no matter where you >> run your app. As an added bonus, you don't need any sort of graphical >> builder; you can just write code directly in your editor. > > Yes, but these are not mutually exclusive. There can be (and there are) GUI > tools that let you arrange your widgets with layouts and rules. In other > words, using layouts and rules does not alone make it impossible to use a > GUI builder. Agreed, as I clarified in my subsequent post. My original statement was a tad broad. The GUI builder isn't the problem, but the Visual BASIC GUI builder is pixel-based, and is therefore part of what I described as tending to produce non-portable UIs. ChrisA