Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'wed,': 0.03; '*not*': 0.05; 'interpreter': 0.07; 'convention,': 0.09; 'indicates': 0.09; 'modifies': 0.09; 'none.': 0.09; 'shortcut': 0.09; 'pm,': 0.10; 'output': 0.11; '25,': 0.12; 'wrote:': 0.14; 'expected.': 0.16; 'received:209.85.213.174': 0.16; 'received:mail- yx0-f174.google.com': 0.16; 'reinforce': 0.16; 'subject:behavior': 0.16; 'to:name:uncle ben': 0.16; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.17; 'subject:list': 0.19; 'uncle': 0.19; 'cheers,': 0.19; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.21; 'say,': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.22; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.23; 'similarly': 0.23; '(in': 0.26; 'object': 0.26; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.28; '(the': 0.28; 'lists': 0.29; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.30; 'expression': 0.32; 'someone': 0.33; 'does': 0.33; 'me?': 0.33; 'list': 0.33; 'list.': 0.33; 'rather': 0.34; 'chris': 0.34; 'languages': 0.35; 'lists,': 0.36; 'none': 0.37; 'received:google.com': 0.37; 'received:209.85': 0.37; 'playing': 0.37; 'received:209.85.213': 0.37; 'but': 0.38; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'explain': 0.39; 'user': 0.39; 'received:209': 0.39; 'returned': 0.39; 'following:': 0.40; 'skip:\xc2 10': 0.72; 'with,': 0.77; '3.1,': 0.84; 'sender:addr:chris': 0.84; 'contrast': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rebertia.com; s=google; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=I+sxKpXMJz+1/Nks+Sb7E3sQVgH7pM2utwze2ZP6FLA=; b=YPR1oPSEgA+Z9Js4Ctu+Z2asg2UzlzrH/Lcx5eb7kf6xK4lzwrAHhYg6Xx0nL4kPlA 2cu9DT356wOfegPLTF32xZ0AyKKp7I4ou7hRmiJZLKhJaOkNBCNXipTEitBYG5lwhd3Q B6F+J1fqUx8nix8whFCziiXJ8y24SrZiyW34Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=rebertia.com; s=google; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=IVr70Mrr7jKvS7hZ5XAKODtUF20Dg1H7/jdPRZxoOF59QcGVukLY9Y17REGSxHpvk2 GLw0uvHpIKBM//d24LoXdWI7BAn2Oa7kNb4RzU2jc71VI2h0h/6cHRlly9GrU/YeYBqm SDirpZsZ6xkGVC9XsNveK0dTuwt6biciDxmho= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: chris@rebertia.com In-Reply-To: <16c21256-48df-416a-971f-de49ca4cc981@x6g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> References: <16c21256-48df-416a-971f-de49ca4cc981@x6g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 22:17:45 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: UTZNgXsCaBMejGRDotNw8-HoKT4 Subject: Re: Puzzled by list-appending behavior From: Chris Rebert To: Uncle Ben Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1306387068 news.xs4all.nl 49179 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:36439 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:6298 On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Uncle Ben wrote: > In playing with lists of lists, I found the following: > > (In 3.1, but the same happens also in 2.7) > > list =3D [1,2,3] > list.append ( [4,5,6] ) Note the lack of output after this line. This indicates that list.append([4,5,6]) returned None. Contrast this with, say, list.pop(). > x =3D list > x =C2=A0 -> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0[1,2,3,[4,5,6]] > as expected. > > But the shortcut fails: > > list=3D[1,2,3] > x =3D list.append( [4,5,6] ) > x =C2=A0 -> > =C2=A0 nothing > > Can someone explain this to me? The append() method does *not* return the now-appended-to list. It is a mutator method that modifies the list object in-place; per convention, it therefore returns None to reinforce its side-effecting nature to the user (the interactive interpreter by default does not display None expression results); analogous methods in other languages return void. list.remove(), list.sort(), and list.extend() similarly return None rather than the now-modified list. Cheers, Chris -- http://rebertia.com