Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'exist,': 0.07; 'referring': 0.07; 'subject:file': 0.07; 'subject:How': 0.09; 'closed,': 0.09; 'deletes': 0.09; 'exists,': 0.09; 'expectation': 0.09; 'expected.': 0.09; 'throw': 0.09; 'useless': 0.09; 'library': 0.15; 'file,': 0.15; 'slightly': 0.15; 'from:addr:mrabarnett.plus.com': 0.16; 'from:addr:python': 0.16; 'from:name:mrab': 0.16; 'message-id:@mrabarnett.plus.com': 0.16; 'posix': 0.16; 'temp': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'deleted.': 0.17; 'handles': 0.18; 'subject:] ': 0.19; 'file.': 0.20; 'error.': 0.21; "i'd": 0.22; 'script': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'fit': 0.26; 'handling': 0.27; 'received:192.168.1.3': 0.29; 'probably': 0.29; 'function': 0.30; 'system,': 0.32; 'towards': 0.32; 'file': 0.32; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.33; 'exist': 0.35; 'continue': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'created': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'possible': 0.37; 'does': 0.37; 'moment': 0.37; 'data': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'delete': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:192': 0.39; 'received:192.168': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; "you've": 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'truly': 0.62; 'close': 0.63; 'header:Reply-To:1': 0.68; 'fact,': 0.69; 'reply-to:no real name:2**0': 0.72; 'saving': 0.72; 'lean': 0.84; 'ram,': 0.84; 'reply-to:addr:python.org': 0.84; 'say:': 0.84; 'subject:status': 0.84 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=O927TWBW c=1 sm=1 a=0nF1XD0wxitMEM03M9B4ZQ==:17 a=YsUzL_8ObRgA:10 a=3rAU7E97GKsA:10 a=ihvODaAuJD4A:10 a=OUOv7kDek9cA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=8AHkEIZyAAAA:8 a=eJQkPM3EOOoiBVxGkM4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=0nF1XD0wxitMEM03M9B4ZQ==:117 X-AUTH: mrabarnett:2500 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 20:57:34 +0100 From: MRAB User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: [Python] RE: How to safely maintain a status file References: <4FF9F454.40207@shopzeus.com> <4ffecef4$0$6877$e4fe514c@news2.news.xs4all.nl> <4FFF0CB7.3030007@shopzeus.com> <4fff926b$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <62e90523-a160-4e28-8109-9ce32d8952e1@googlegroups.com> <5B80DD153D7D744689F57F4FB69AF474165560E7@SCACMX008.exchad.jpmchase.net> <50005A96.3010305@gonnerman.org> <500068bd$0$6893$e4fe514c@news2.news.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <500068bd$0$6893$e4fe514c@news2.news.xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: python-list@python.org List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1342209459 news.xs4all.nl 6985 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:54049 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:25286 On 13/07/2012 19:28, Hans Mulder wrote: > On 13/07/12 19:59:59, Prasad, Ramit wrote: > >> I lean slightly towards the POSIX handling with the addition that >> any additional write should throw an error. You are now saving to >> a file that will not exist the moment you close it and that is >> probably not expected. > Strictly speaking, the file does exist, it's just that there are no names referring to it. When any handles to it are also closed, the file _can_ truly be deleted. As has been said before, in the *nix world, "unlink" _doesn't_ delete a file, it deletes a name. > I'd say: it depends. > > If the amount of data your script needs to process does not fit > in RAM, then you may want to write some of it to a temporary file. > On a Posix system, it's entirely normal to unlink() a temp file > first thing after you've created it. The expectation is that the > file will continue to exists, and be writeable, until you close it. > > In fact, there's a function in the standard library named > tempfile.TemporaryFile that does exactly that: create a file > and unlink it immediately. This function would be useless > if you couldn't write to your temporary file. > It's possible to create a temporary file even in Windows.