Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.019 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; '(at': 0.03; 'dev': 0.07; 'mouse': 0.07; 'python': 0.09; 'subject:still': 0.09; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.10; 'subject:python': 0.11; 'development?': 0.16; 'focus,': 0.16; 'greatness': 0.16; 'roy': 0.16; 'simpson': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'subject:need': 0.17; 'jan': 0.18; 'windows': 0.19; 'written': 0.20; 'addition,': 0.21; 'help.': 0.22; "i'd": 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; 'programming': 0.23; "haven't": 0.23; "i've": 0.23; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'machine': 0.24; 'allows': 0.25; 'least': 0.25; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header :In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'separate': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.28; 'noticed': 0.28; "i'm": 0.29; 'that.': 0.30; 'usually': 0.30; 'fri,': 0.30; 'figure': 0.30; 'on,': 0.30; 'curious': 0.33; 'doubt': 0.33; 'handle': 0.33; '(with': 0.33; 'screen': 0.34; 'especially': 0.35; 'subject:?': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'ability': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'does': 0.37; 'subject:New': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'things': 0.38; 'help': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'subject:, ': 0.61; 'stay': 0.61; 'personal': 0.62; 'within': 0.64; 'offer': 0.65; 'benefit': 0.70; 'connection,': 0.71; 'lose': 0.71; 'smith': 0.71; 'article': 0.78; 'alpine': 0.84; 'century': 0.84; 'from:addr:wayne': 0.84; 'now)': 0.84; 'subject:good': 0.84; 'poorly': 0.93 Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 23:53:34 -0600 (CST) From: Wayne Werner X-X-Sender: wayne@gilgamesh To: Roy Smith Subject: Re: New to python, do I need an IDE or is vim still good enough? In-Reply-To: References: <50E70A6B.5040101@tim.thechases.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1357538034 news.xs4all.nl 6845 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48855 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:36325 On Fri, 4 Jan 2013, Roy Smith wrote: > In article , > Cameron Simpson wrote: > >> On 01/04/13 01:34, Anssi Saari wrote: >> | Just curious since I read the same thing in a programming book recently >> | (21st century C). So what's the greatness that terminal multiplexors >> | offer over tabbed terminals? Especially for software development? > > There's no doubt that you need access to multiple terminal sessions. > Whether you achieve that with multiple terminal windows on your desktop, > multiple desktops, tabbed terminals, or something like screen is > entirely personal preference. +1 I use a tiling WM (awesomewm), but I still find that tmux has its place. Usually I'll have a terminal per box that I'm working on, and a tmux session within that. This allows me to detach and reattach from any system I'm on. In addition, if I lose my connection, I don't have to figure out which processes I had in bg. There's also the neat ability (at least with tmux - I haven't used screen for a while now) to work across sessions - so I might have a personal session (with things like alpine and irssi), a dev session (with Vim, a python prompt, and a shell) - and I can either keep them separate if I need to focus, or join the windows if I need some help. One thing that I've noticed that tmux does poorly is handle the mouse for selecting. And as I haven't yet written or found a cross-platform/machine clipboard manager, using the tmux copy or xclip doesn't really help that much :P I'd say the main benefit (aside from tiling) is the attach/detach. Unless your machine powers off or you kill tmux/screen, your sessions will stay around. -W