Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder2.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder.news-service.com!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.051 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.90; '*S*': 0.00; 'instance,': 0.05; ':-(': 0.09; 'am,': 0.14; 'received:209.85.214.174': 0.14; 'received :mail-iw0-f174.google.com': 0.14; 'wrote:': 0.14; '(assuming': 0.16; 'alphabetic': 0.16; 'angelico': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'it).': 0.16; 'odd,': 0.16; 'opposite': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'tue,': 0.17; 'issue.': 0.19; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.21; 'gregory': 0.23; 'keys': 0.23; 'pointed': 0.25; 'moving': 0.26; "i'm": 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.28; 'received:209.85.214': 0.28; 'subject:?': 0.29; 'fact': 0.30; 'blocks': 0.30; 'ewing': 0.30; 'entry': 0.31; 'looks': 0.31; 'it.': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.32; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'list': 0.33; 'chris': 0.34; 'actual': 0.36; 'tasks': 0.36; 'received:google.com': 0.37; 'change': 0.37; 'received:209.85': 0.37; 'designing': 0.37; 'keyboard': 0.37; 'reasons': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'anything': 0.38; 'but': 0.38; 'data': 0.38; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'easier': 0.39; 'received:209': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'desk': 0.40; 'really': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'back': 0.63; 'grab': 0.63; 'account': 0.66; 'home': 0.69; 'hands': 0.69; '11:45': 0.84; 'mouse.': 0.84; 'perpetually': 0.84; 'prone': 0.84; 'stupid': 0.84; 'subject:Improve': 0.84; 'direction,': 0.91; 'mouse': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=oecXEVsH/g+u5GbqyVbUrzBu3cuGE+acoi9RfKlwQwg=; b=iG5QeF4X85zRn1Cro/Ur6x6VBMjhUy/ZPR1IrTZ0I+V5rYpDGIsnTB0QXkDZ18Gnvj ZMl0en1dpcr1Epk8sYNtvC0Y14jFXjjkK5Cl8REO9xT+PjOqpPFLTvqgru9iD1RiEZ5I KWeq4tXdo2OitjYMoA85urbbzFJNd7NmExFM8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=in4BqiuAPHkDNVpDzAZUxGiU741tv+KAgJqFGslSIN3GdiWcxhe7WB//1FggNLV8Ki 75Y1IhGy8XuJclGl6jQKrRQNzgv/En4yJ2UMNnTeImzXApteOIqNbP8siBTw8u1EmrL+ P+mDggGIa9ARNvNAK8zEJkOeSCYuxFdpBAk/g= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <95nsppFirfU1@mid.individual.net> References: <355e201c-437c-4944-9ad0-ae401df02651@22g2000prx.googlegroups.com> <4f4bv6hn40jsgpecuelejc66n7rkhv17fj@4ax.com> <55f6d32d-4451-4547-a39d-634b69179236@d26g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <95nsppFirfU1@mid.individual.net> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:58:39 +1000 Subject: Re: Keyboard Layout: Dvorak vs Colemak: is it Worthwhile to Improve the Dvorak Layout? From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1308016722 news.xs4all.nl 49039 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:43450 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:7581 On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Gregory Ewing wrote: > Chris Angelico wrote: > >> And did any of the studies take into account the fact that a lot of >> computer users - in all but the purest data entry tasks - will use a >> mouse as well as a keyboard? > > What I think's really stupid is designing keyboards with two > big blocks of keys between the alphabetic keys and the mouse. > > Nowadays I find myself perpetually prone to off-by-one errors > when moving back to the keyboard. :-( That's one of the reasons I like my laptop keyboard so much. Hands don't have to leave to grab the mouse. Although if you lay out your desk right (assuming you have one - the other advantage of the laptop is the ability to type at the same speed on a bus) you can change that "two big blocks of keys" issue. For instance, I have a computer at work where the mouse is in front of the keyboard (between me and it). It looks odd, but it works in practice. The actual distance my hand moves to get from home keys to mouse is about the same as swinging to the right past the numpad, but since I'm aiming in the opposite direction, it's easier to not hit the off-by-one. But as an old jester Pointed out, you can come in time to like anything that you get used to. ChrisA PS. "Pointed" is not a mistake, but I doubt anyone on this list will know why I did it.