Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.01; 'subject:: [': 0.03; 'discussing': 0.05; 'stuff.': 0.05; 'received:209.85.213.46': 0.07; 'received:mail- yw0-f46.google.com': 0.07; 'python': 0.07; 'donations,': 0.09; 'am,': 0.14; 'wrote:': 0.14; 'category,': 0.16; 'member"': 0.16; 'subject:versus': 0.16; 'translates': 0.16; 'url:apache': 0.16; 'url:foundation': 0.16; 'subject:] ': 0.16; 'url:psf': 0.18; '(or': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'mon,': 0.22; 'received:209.85.213': 0.23; 'apache': 0.25; 'assume': 0.25; "i'm": 0.26; '(in': 0.27; 'chris': 0.27; 'does': 0.31; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.32; 'from:charset:iso-8859-1': 0.33; 'using': 0.34; 'received:192.168.1': 0.34; 'received:192': 0.34; 'there': 0.35; '(my': 0.35; 'apache,': 0.35; 'subject:software': 0.35; 'received:192.168': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'received:209.85': 0.37; 'url:python': 0.37; 'apr': 0.38; 'received:google.com': 0.38; 'but': 0.38; 'url:org': 0.38; 'anything': 0.38; 'positive': 0.39; 'listed': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:209': 0.39; 'header:Mime-Version:1': 0.39; 'whatever': 0.39; 'prepared': 0.40; 'would': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'money,': 0.60; '2011': 0.62; 'free': 0.62; 'spend': 0.63; 'view': 0.64; 'believe': 0.66; 'products': 0.70; 'become': 0.70; 'subject:Free': 0.72; 'message- id:@localhost.localdomain': 0.74; '11,': 0.77; 'money': 0.78; '10:04': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references :content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ukpzi6NoWPlJb0sUabCaHB8C6lbHy/iaMg7oUO62pp8=; b=F4bdSOG5PNezZmHgSl+JFX2kIiI1FKXwW6Qq+t02u+1b+0MMZqPcOS0wxmec8HvNRK 8FTe8+L/Uqia49VVcLY3e1NmWy9i7ALPRFkxPBQ1QOxNKjMMpAD3czubuyApC1iuWCPL VBSpzw3sPaOuwtXAXJgy0AXNZ15TD4doQVlc8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=CixauWFoSumlnvTaS7b0qxq30cV6WnLzC8a0XSLLv/rmCRa16BtQMKRYv5sZby6kYq EL0xieBy1Q0rt9GPvRkDiOz5UmQACvaZXfMXoHKgD5jTd3lI7gC3tWESlle9NjGSZUBQ D7+lPnODVMeCnppdIJO+k7yi0UG/8H/xJxtUA= Subject: Re: [OT] Free software versus software idea patents From: Westley =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mart=EDnez?= To: python-list@python.org In-Reply-To: References: <4d9c5ca5$0$29991$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87tyebf3r3.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au> <4d9d6a4a$0$29992$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <6Nknp.10080$lx3.7480@newsfe02.iad> <4d9e6551$0$29991$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4da0f1e1$0$29986$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 21:01:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1302494547 news.xs4all.nl 81483 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:60467 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:2968 On Mon, 2011-04-11 at 10:18 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 10:04 AM, harrismh777 wrote: > > Not so fast there, Steve. If they [Microsoft] are paying anything > > (unsubstantiated, unknowable) to Python, Apache, or (Linux, whatever you > > mean by that term...) there are only two motives: > > http://www.python.org/psf/ - Microsoft is listed. I would assume one > does not become a "sponsor member" without paying money (or a whole > lot of something that translates to money, like staff hours). > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html - again, Microsoft is > listed (in the top category, "Platinum Sponsors"). > > Feel free to continue discussing the merits of these donations, but it > is definitely substantiable and knowable. Microsoft has money, and > they're prepared to spend it on what they believe in. (My view is that > they believe in positive PR more than they believe in Python or Apache > or whatever.) > > Chris Angelico I'm sure they're using both products for in-house stuff. Who isn't? ^_^