Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.fsmpi.rwth-aachen.de!newsfeed.straub-nv.de!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.007 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'messing': 0.09; 'noted,': 0.09; 'received:internal': 0.09; 'url:mac': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'apps': 0.15; '"system': 0.16; 'message-id:@webmail.messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'received:10.202': 0.16; 'received:10.202.2': 0.16; 'received:10.202.2.44': 0.16; 'received:66.111': 0.16; 'received:66.111.4': 0.16; 'received:compute4.internal': 0.16; 'received:messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'subject:Mac': 0.16; 'subject:after': 0.16; 'subject:install': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'basically': 0.18; 'runs': 0.18; 'module': 0.23; 'third-party': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'sort': 0.25; "doesn't": 0.28; 'fine': 0.29; 'looks': 0.29; 'idea,': 0.29; 'unlikely': 0.29; 'url:software': 0.29; 'fri,': 0.31; 'fixed': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.32; 'probably': 0.32; 'skip:/ 20': 0.33; 'running': 0.34; 'could': 0.35; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.35; 'along': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'received:10': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'author': 0.37; 'received:66': 0.38; 'version': 0.38; 'space': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'where': 0.40; 'subject:the': 0.40; 'called': 0.40; 'even': 0.61; 'from:no real name:2**0': 0.61; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.62; 'improved': 0.63; 'url:0': 0.66; 'sounds': 0.72; 'url:10': 0.79; 'mistaken': 0.84; 'reliability': 0.84; 'admission': 0.91; 'belief': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.us; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=Uhvy3qaYxvYWGQobUM01v9Q9RDg=; b=OCAj6g erBYlWr+aoFUOWvkP6MRJPhRPfFP0AaldQViacNzGWuYPZ/knrOFB6SM25gEY1t2 xJnoMdt9oW/TbtQJX3tdbPSZFvVw6zbNswji3H0JHWBbfRZPlPhGZAD3z8D7CTx8 5c7Ji6jZGlVK6iAZ8NP8ARC2pSp1umo7WLmoU= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=Uhvy3qaYxvYWGQo bUM01v9Q9RDg=; b=oFPiOxxefB/SK/+z4mTsfN63GdESNHqDhNQNensUSNTgKwD 0wjCEGaP7Gc51Kj7zldjkH39t20emufQlaC3puuTITC5Y9Rq4z9UplLSYO/NgEBs 6tKXVTL7f6uAJfDe/4HlKuxhHADUW1jL3SJMA8VPImOIzIjIAP6dy0t76+Bs= X-Sasl-Enc: 96ZurhvsyKg+SaAKLr5/WLCmLAfLSAYRCqFIbeD3qWy5 1432928598 From: random832@fastmail.us To: python-list@python.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-073992ec Subject: Re: Fixing Python install on the Mac after running 'CleanMyMac' Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 15:43:18 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: <201505290347.t4T3lYjC006610@fido.openend.se> <201505290959.t4T9xpDK016524@fido.openend.se> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1432928601 news.xs4all.nl 2880 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:44754 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:91497 On Fri, May 29, 2015, at 12:11, Ned Deily wrote: > As others > have noted, running third-party apps like CleanMyMac is probably not a > good idea, but, even if it is as crappy as its sounds, I would think it > unlikely that it would be fooling with the Apple-supplied system Python > in /System/Library/Frameworks. It sounds very likely to me. These "cleaner" apps are often designed to remove "unnecessary" system components where the author doesn't know what they are and doesn't think anyone needs them because his system runs fine without it, along with the mistaken belief that these take up a lot of space or that their existence slows down performance. Looking at the version history of this page: https://software.com/mac/utilities/cleanmymac/1.10.0 It looks like python is removed or otherwise messed-with by a module called "System Junk" (earlier "Development Junk"). Version 1.9.4 _claims_ that it fixed: ""Sytem Junk" module reliability improved and fixed issues with python applications." - but this is basically an admission that it was messing with the sort of thing that could cause these issues in the first place.