Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.010 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.01; 'subject:: [': 0.03; 'discussing': 0.05; 'python': 0.07; 'donations,': 0.09; 'am,': 0.14; 'wrote:': 0.14; 'category,': 0.16; 'member"': 0.16; 'subject:versus': 0.16; 'translates': 0.16; 'url:apache': 0.16; 'url:foundation': 0.16; 'subject:] ': 0.16; 'url:psf': 0.18; '(or': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'mon,': 0.22; 'received:209.85.214.174': 0.23; 'received:mail- iw0-f174.google.com': 0.23; 'apache': 0.25; 'assume': 0.25; '(in': 0.27; 'chris': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.28; 'does': 0.31; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.32; 'there': 0.35; '(my': 0.35; 'apache,': 0.35; 'subject:software': 0.35; 'two': 0.37; 'received:209.85': 0.37; 'url:python': 0.37; 'apr': 0.38; 'received:google.com': 0.38; 'but': 0.38; 'url:org': 0.38; 'anything': 0.38; 'positive': 0.39; 'listed': 0.39; 'received:209.85.214': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:209': 0.39; 'whatever': 0.39; 'prepared': 0.40; 'would': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'money,': 0.60; '2011': 0.62; 'free': 0.62; 'spend': 0.63; 'view': 0.64; 'believe': 0.66; 'become': 0.70; 'subject:Free': 0.72; '11,': 0.77; 'money': 0.78; '10:04': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nCVNZV0OUmGFKdmWjoj5z7NkFVJBaZtZCTYNRcHpn/c=; b=eoEVTvmxmhOmGEbL6ZaVD6tWDGZlIHBuVv4ibBKeoAIgu4gciZ+90t2JEV4OEtPckT HeTSwS+RqPCJiMHU/bEhZkcYPl5WBms3QmNA9LG/dvnQTazWk/iUmTD8IHUIyHW17SiY vzYSoihLmyONkdZMOYc00B9SP+5pPZVoZDYzg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=A434G+hIscR7JBdgTElv5L+e+iNB8X94HiCNy9qiHeDtxuw4cqep2SKDC89pZkDzUi uJoOeWTWUQ3Vjbz51g3LP8U/Ahjg7l2kPpOrYLzVC2JAmPKFtT/XuWTtdmLDt9nZP+dD G/Eb0SGeyGjWSyrQb2FiXk0vkeESpwmHu0J3I= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4d9c5ca5$0$29991$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87tyebf3r3.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au> <4d9d6a4a$0$29992$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <6Nknp.10080$lx3.7480@newsfe02.iad> <4d9e6551$0$29991$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4da0f1e1$0$29986$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:18:22 +1000 Subject: Re: [OT] Free software versus software idea patents From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1302481106 news.xs4all.nl 81484 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:38617 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:2964 On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 10:04 AM, harrismh777 wro= te: > =A0 =A0Not so fast there, Steve. If they [Microsoft] are paying anything > (unsubstantiated, unknowable) to Python, Apache, or (Linux, whatever you > mean by that term...) there are only two motives: http://www.python.org/psf/ - Microsoft is listed. I would assume one does not become a "sponsor member" without paying money (or a whole lot of something that translates to money, like staff hours). http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html - again, Microsoft is listed (in the top category, "Platinum Sponsors"). Feel free to continue discussing the merits of these donations, but it is definitely substantiable and knowable. Microsoft has money, and they're prepared to spend it on what they believe in. (My view is that they believe in positive PR more than they believe in Python or Apache or whatever.) Chris Angelico