Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder2.enfer-du-nord.net!cs.uu.nl!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.008 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.04; 'guido': 0.04; 'wxpython': 0.07; 'python': 0.08; 'all?': 0.09; 'argument,': 0.09; 'throw': 0.09; 'tkinter': 0.09; 'gui': 0.13; 'library': 0.15; 'argument': 0.15; 'void': 0.15; '8:26': 0.16; 'advocating': 0.16; 'library"': 0.16; 'received:mindspring.com': 0.16; 'rossum': 0.16; 'subject:WxPython': 0.16; 'sucks': 0.16; 'x-mailer:apple mail (2.1084)': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'arguments': 0.18; 'repeated': 0.18; 'archives': 0.21; 'maybe': 0.21; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'cheers': 0.23; 'talked': 0.23; 'pm,': 0.24; 'aug': 0.24; 'guess': 0.26; 'van': 0.26; 'rid': 0.29; 'criticism': 0.30; 'toolkit': 0.30; 'least': 0.31; 'list': 0.32; 'received:24': 0.32; "isn't": 0.33; 'there': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'someone': 0.34; 'object': 0.35; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'gotten': 0.37; 'but': 0.37; 'some': 0.38; 'subject:: ': 0.39; 'first.': 0.39; 'ok,': 0.39; 'getting': 0.39; 'header:Mime- Version:1': 0.39; 'missing': 0.39; 'why': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; "i'd": 0.40; 'one,': 0.40; 'your': 0.61; 'company': 0.61; 'kind': 0.61; 'subject': 0.61; 'header :Message-Id:1': 0.61; 'industry.': 0.67; 'promoting': 0.68; 'today': 0.71; 'products': 0.71; 'months.': 0.74; 'claim': 0.76; 'serious': 0.78; 'argument;': 0.84; 'one).': 0.84; 'received:69.73': 0.84; 'todays': 0.84; '"best': 0.91 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: WxPython and TK From: Philip Semanchuk In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 11:49:44 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: To: Lista-Comp-Lang-Python list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - deimos.nocdirect.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - python.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - semanchuk.com X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1312818598 news.xs4all.nl 23899 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:37071 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:11036 On Aug 7, 2011, at 8:26 PM, azrael wrote: > Today I found a quote from Guido. >=20 > wxPython is the best and most mature cross-platform GUI toolkit, given = a number of constraints. The only reason wxPython isn't the standard = Python GUI toolkit is that Tkinter was there first. > -- Guido van Rossum >=20 > OK, now. Isn't it maybe time to throw out TK once and for all? Python = is missing one of the most important aspects of todays IT industry. GUI = development native library (I mean a serious one). I don't see how removing TK from the standard library helps to fill the = native GUI development library void that you see in=20 Python. I guess you're promoting wxPython as the library to fill that = void. Getting rid of TK is one argument, adding wxPython is different = argument. Are you advocating one, the other, or both? > If I would have gotten a dollar for every time I talked to someone in = a company about why they dont use python for their products and I was = served the answer "Well it kind of sucks in GUI development", I would be = a millionaire. And if I had a dollar for every "Let's replace TK with XYZ" post, I'd = also be a millionaire.=20 I don't object to your argument; criticism of standard library is how it = advances. But you're going to have to come up with a better argument = than a 5+ year old quote from Guido and an exaggerated claim about why = people don't use Python. The "best Python GUI library" conversation is = repeated on this list at least once every few months. If the subject = really interests you, I recommend that you read the archives and see = some of the arguments for and against various GUI toolkits.=20 Cheers Philip=