Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'else:': 0.03; 'elif': 0.04; 'attributes': 0.05; 'attribute': 0.07; 'override': 0.07; 'rest,': 0.07; 'slices': 0.07; 'python': 0.08; 'modulo': 0.09; 'subclasses': 0.09; 'supported,': 0.09; 'writable': 0.09; 'def': 0.15; '(0,': 0.16; '[2,': 0.16; 'accordingly,': 0.16; 'appends': 0.16; 'behaviour,': 0.16; 'containers': 0.16; 'dot-notation': 0.16; 'int)': 0.16; 'integers.': 0.16; 'length,': 0.16; 'overrides': 0.16; 'realised': 0.16; 'redone': 0.16; 'slicing': 0.16; 'subject:writing': 0.16; 'mon,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'meant': 0.17; 'int': 0.18; 'insert': 0.19; 'holds': 0.21; 'header :In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'obviously': 0.23; 'helper': 0.23; 'incorrect': 0.23; 'changed': 0.24; 'aug': 0.24; 'index': 0.24; 'sender:addr:gmail.com': 0.25; "i'm": 0.27; 'raise': 0.28; 'random': 0.28; "wasn't": 0.28; 'lists': 0.28; 'import': 0.28; 'operations': 0.30; 'for,': 0.30; 'protects': 0.30; 'thanks': 0.30; 'class': 0.30; 'changes': 0.31; 'changing': 0.31; 'shows': 0.32; 'list': 0.32; 'usually': 0.32; "isn't": 0.33; 'it.': 0.33; "can't": 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'it?': 0.33; "i've": 0.34; 'be.': 0.34; 'idea': 0.34; 'retain': 0.34; 'starting': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'properties': 0.36; 'problems': 0.36; 'class.': 0.37; 'skip:z 20': 0.37; 'things,': 0.37; 'using': 0.37; 'list,': 0.37; 'but': 0.37; 'something': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'think': 0.38; 'steven': 0.38; 'received:google.com': 0.38; 'should': 0.38; 'subject:: ': 0.39; 'aside': 0.39; 'etc.)': 0.39; 'itself.': 0.39; 'ways': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'header:Mime- Version:1': 0.39; 'format.': 0.39; 'why': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'case': 0.39; 'received:74.125': 0.39; "i'd": 0.40; 'third': 0.40; 'happens': 0.40; 'your': 0.61; 'header :Message-Id:1': 0.61; 'order': 0.62; 'john': 0.62; 'property': 0.63; 'full': 0.63; 'making': 0.67; 'validate': 0.67; 'special': 0.67; 'unnecessary': 0.73; '100': 0.73; '(easily)': 0.84; '(int,': 0.84; '12)': 0.84; '[[1,': 0.84; 'value):': 0.84; 'items,': 0.91; 'received:home': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4OG6rqf9fIZde6+mXJCvNmUqAwdCcDJlEZfV9W5pOVc=; b=dhVrTB5TTIFjjkfUm0aVSioJAU3nlUzY4Kl48PRa5NsKy1tbThx8Fn/bvtANR5Iyo5 d6CTkCAyVtuxwKJg5wcoEEiwurgrTj0aT+VahnOLk48pLrBsYfw6ucJffrdqzyRLf2cr /dz4V1ghqn9wnw2/X2dJzyPgFnBi05HGsbSXc= Sender: "John O'Hagan" Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 14:59:23 +1000 From: John O'Hagan To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Restricted attribute writing In-Reply-To: <4e3ec653$0$29987$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <4e3ec653$0$29987$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.2.0beta1 (GTK+ 2.24.4; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 117 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1312779580 news.xs4all.nl 23853 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:52766 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:11024 On Mon, 08 Aug 2011 03:07:30 +1000 Steven D'Aprano wrote: > John O'Hagan wrote: > > > I'm looking for good ways to ensure that attributes are only writable such > > that they retain the characteristics the class requires. > > That's what properties are for. > > > My particular case is a class attribute which is initialised as a list of > > lists of two integers, the first of which is a modulo remainder. I need to > > be able to write to it like a normal list, but want to ensure it is only > > possible to do so without changing that format. > > Then you have two problems to solve. > > First, you need a special type of list that only holds exactly two integers. > Your main class can't control what happens inside the list, so you need the > list to validate itself. > > Secondly, you should use a property in your main class to ensure that the > attribute you want to be a special list-of-two-ints can't (easily) be > changed to something else. > Although experience shows you're usually right :) , I thought I had three problems, the third being what I perhaps wasn't clear enough about: that the two-integer containers live in a list which should only contain the two-integer things, but aside from that should be able to do all the other list operations on it. AFAIK making this attribute a property only protects it from incorrect assignment, but not from unwanted appends etc. That's what the other helper class Order is meant for, it subclasses list, and overrides __setitem__ to ensure every item is an OrderElement, and __getitem__ to ensure slices are the same class. I've also since realised it must override append, insert and extend. I think I need all this to ensure the required behaviour, including: s = SeqSim([[15, 2]], 12) s.order[0][1] = 100 s.order[0][1:] = [100] s.order += [[22, 11]] s.order *= 2 s.order[2] = [[15, 8]] s.order[1:5:2]) = [[1, 1],[2, 2]] s.order.extend([[1, 1],[2, 2]]) s.order.insert(2, [2, 29]) s.order.append([26, 24]) s.order.extend(s.order[1:3]) s.order = [[99, 99],[100, 100]] import random random.shuffle(s.order) etc [...] > I'd take this approach instead: > > # Untested. > class ThingWithTwoIntegers(object): > def __init__(self, a, b): > self.a = a > self.b = b > def __getitem__(self, index): > # Slicing not supported, because I'm lazy. > if index < 0: index += 2 > if index == 0: return self.a > elif index == 1: return self.b > else: raise IndexError > def __setitem__(self, index, value): > # Slicing not supported, because I'm lazy. > if index < 0: index += 2 > if index == 0: self.a = value > elif index == 1: self.b = value > else: raise IndexError > def _geta(self): > return self._a > def _seta(self, value): > if isinstance(value, (int, long)): # drop long if using Python 3 > self._a = value > else: > raise TypeError('expected an int but got %s' % type(value)) > a = property(_geta, _seta) > # and the same for b: _getb, _setb, making the obvious changes > [...] > Obviously this isn't a full blown list, but if you don't need all the > list-like behaviour (sorting, inserting, deleting items, etc.) why support > it? > Thanks for this, I can see that the __data attribute I was using was unnecessary and I've redone the OrderElement class accordingly, although I do want slicing and don't need dot-notation access: class OrderElement(): def __init__(self, length, a, b): self.__length=length self.__a = a self.__b = b self[:] = a, b def __setitem__(self, index, item): if isinstance(index, slice): for k, i in zip(range(*index.indices(2)), item): self[k] = i elif isinstance(item, int) and index in (0, 1): if index == 0: self.__a = item % self.__length elif index == 1: self.__b = item else: raise TypeError("OrderElement takes two integers") def __getitem__(self, index): if isinstance(index, slice): return [self[i] for i in range(*index.indices(2))] if index == 0: return self.__a if index == 1: return self.__b raise IndexError As for the rest, I take your point that a simple idea need not be simple to implement, and I'm starting to think my solution may be about as complicated as it needs to be. Regards, John