Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.023 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'anyway.': 0.05; 'badly': 0.09; 'expense': 0.09; "person's": 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'discussion.': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'gandhi': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'unhelpful': 0.16; 'win,': 0.16; 'discussions': 0.16; 'discussion': 0.18; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'behaving': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'up.': 0.33; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'being': 0.38; 'loss': 0.38; 'ben': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'voice': 0.60; 'forum': 0.61; 'situation': 0.65; 'skip:\xe2 10': 0.65; 'world': 0.66; '\xe2\x80\x93': 0.77; '8bit%:46': 0.78; "else's": 0.84; 'pardon': 0.84; 'victory,': 0.84; 'subject:+': 0.91; '\xe2\x80\x9cthe': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Re: Possibly better loop construct, also labels+goto important and on the fly compiler idea. Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 20:07:00 +1100 References: <6f2b7$525f2302$5419b3e4$13466@cache1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl> <774fd$526a559c$5419b3e4$11247@cache1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl> <32495$526f9dfe$5419b3e4$14369@cache1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl> <526fc14f$0$29972$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5b3f2903-2ab1-4cda-a503-7ffad5d5b7a7@googlegroups.com> <5270ddd6$0$6512$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <425ea0db-41c7-4244-91b5-3e48d48e206c@googlegroups.com> <527217a4$0$29884$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <90f57eb4-7fff-47e8-86f1-d0fa717cc181@googlegroups.com> <52733eed$0$29972$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5275dc67$0$29972$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <52769AAF.2070508@rece.vub.ac.be> <7wiow9yw33.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <52775D1C.2090502@rece.vub.ac.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: rasputin.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-gpg.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:YTJ3ut4AB0tWmCAkDe9xYStvt6M= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1383556034 news.xs4all.nl 15963 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:38758 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:58434 Antoon Pardon writes: > This is a typical: "Heads, I win, Tail, you lose" situation that is > being set up. If you see a discussion as a zero-sum game – like a coin toss, where one person's win can only be at the expense of someone else's loss – then I fear this isn't going to be productive. Suffice it to say that any number of parties can be behaving badly in a discussion. If one person declares their choice not to continue an unhelpful discussion, that does does not mean that they declare victory, nor that they declare defeat. Discussions that are about “winning” or “losing” the discussion are pretty futile in this forum anyway. -- \ “The only tyrant I accept in this world is the still voice | `\ within.” —Mohandas Gandhi | _o__) | Ben Finney