Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Chris Angelico Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Learning Python (or Haskell) makes you a worse programmer Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 00:09:52 +1100 Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <56f9cffb$0$1614$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <56FA00EC.80909@gmail.com> <56FA537F.9090506@mail.de> <56FB0FF6.3000305@harvee.org> <56FBCF3F.8060903@harvee.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de JManAWsGOjATQJATbFsw5wEzbQfJLpv7pq//XaMPFMHw== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'received:209.85.223': 0.03; 'ideally': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'variant': 0.07; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.09; 'ast': 0.09; 'chunks': 0.09; 'python': 0.10; 'python.': 0.11; 'language,': 0.11; 'translate': 0.15; 'thu,': 0.15; '2016': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'snippets': 0.16; 'subject:Learning': 0.16; 'subject:programmer': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'transform': 0.18; 'language': 0.19; 'cc:2**0': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.20; '31,': 0.22; 'programming': 0.22; 'am,': 0.23; 'code.': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'code': 0.30; 'version,': 0.30; "i'd": 0.31; 'subject:) ': 0.32; 'smart': 0.33; 'editor': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'next': 0.35; 'eric': 0.35; 'mine': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.38; 'some': 0.40; 'between': 0.65; 'mar': 0.65; 'friendly': 0.74; 'sounds': 0.76; 'chrisa': 0.84; 'compiles': 0.84; 'execution.': 0.84; 'speech': 0.84; 'way)': 0.84; 'subject:you': 0.85; 'to:none': 0.91; 'hands': 0.96 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc; bh=TS5Fwp3YyyYVd6fdRl/PJq/iqjZonmDBm8SCnWDlbRo=; b=1JHzZRuIZM7kg/TMH07DOXhiG8Jo3UfFly+XGZXcad//CaJiGW7hWHWeZ3B1+B3k+U iHw0bjoTRQR8NXBGWoymH8+FYocVMG1zkWbPo3v1haoVZs9fPq+g46xCwwYihq7bfqJU A9VOzqpjT+U6EpGjAEdi8Othuad2sw1FR2Fpg4inCT4cW5qll6ZTRQmOmbB/0i6FbLsk dVTIZklSd5aOAHKDuAIw8bsOBZSq1jFZFQnSBHt1R6n5yeYQp3D+4BkdxR5QTAo2ZRuD 55CA50qgU1Jb9CnNETRhL3sHnr/FCmFC+qIiGFH2FFHBnMG85eKWT5UkMa0ES30pxAUa dXUQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:cc; bh=TS5Fwp3YyyYVd6fdRl/PJq/iqjZonmDBm8SCnWDlbRo=; b=dDuKCM4t+xn11r5ppAMwr7BidGdFE9WVsEMzNXFv9PGWAWxdqeLuYpGcvfN55PIa+L AL7Yu3KgN3tmQLsIcygO1qmafEERbTGHOTxASfuwHD4AfCjpgFnwqTbsr2O4cJCsVpX8 th+rXdHXYQr437a3HUnAMRNpsfFKKEyran6IhSLMTVVaP7h4UPCCwcopROG6wCNJdWV4 mqlCvs934co4xflDs/tVOHJoHnRv04Kst5TTgvtNtEDb2X9w6yMrXutabF43/IZylZ50 Dl600H06JuNZTotCe1Z15tnXiR/cy1eMiqCdFjVBO1PyHJ6hBNDMvtxeJ/qKGg5fh4uJ YWjw== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJKVkGr8Ec+5kxPekZI5sCBF6xI1yw+wNgn+EHSttAXRirDEnhQbAa1yW/0ObWaw1K2NL3Z96635d4eIfg== X-Received: by 10.107.169.32 with SMTP id s32mr8414794ioe.19.1459343392407; Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:09:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <56FBCF3F.8060903@harvee.org> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:106066 On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 12:06 AM, Eric S. Johansson wrote: > I need a co-conspirator with better hands than mine to get through the next > stage which is some form of an AST smart editor that operates on larger > chunks such as idioms or snippets in a speech friendly way. Ideally I'd like > to see a bidirectional transform between the spoken form and a code form so > that you can edit the spoken form and regenerate the code. Sounds to me like what you want is a variant language, a speech-friendly programming language that compiles to Python. You effectively store the spoken version, and translate it (one way) to Python for execution. ChrisA