Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Antoon Pardon Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Curious Omission In New-Style Formats Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 16:47:21 +0200 Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <834b1cce-38dd-474c-8915-4ff1cd6b27ec@googlegroups.com> <57874385$0$1501$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87shvccing.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87vb08xh3g.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87lh13xwnr.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <578896B1.1030104@rece.vub.ac.be> <5788c151$0$1619$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5788CCA6.90405@rece.vub.ac.be> <5788F779.3010608@rece.vub.ac.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de cNGK1698nGAuKnz/FgghHApTMJ68y3U3d+2eTBmNGYJw== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.106 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.79; '*S*': 0.01; 'received:134': 0.05; 'afterwards.': 0.16; 'did.': 0.16; 'graphing': 0.16; 'received:ac.be': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'steep': 0.16; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.26; "doesn't": 0.26; 'least': 0.27; 'actual': 0.28; 'curve': 0.29; 'mastery': 0.29; 'sure,': 0.29; 'received:be': 0.30; 'everyone': 0.31; 'could': 0.35; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'no,': 0.38; 'progress': 0.38; 'subject:-': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'show': 0.62; 'virtually': 0.66; 'yourself': 0.73; 'conversation': 0.84; 'ime': 0.84; 'layout.': 0.84; 'pardon': 0.84; 'schreef': 0.84 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArIIAHYeUleGuA9G/2dsb2JhbABehFsBvRCGEgKCAAEBAQEBAWaEbQEBBCNKCxELGgIFFgsCAgkDAgECAUUTCAKIK7FNjT6DWwEBCAIlgQGFJoRNhQyCNYJZAQSYRYFXjE2JM4Vpj1JUggccgU2KfgEBAQ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.8.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: <5788F779.3010608@rece.vub.ac.be> X-Mailman-Original-References: <834b1cce-38dd-474c-8915-4ff1cd6b27ec@googlegroups.com> <57874385$0$1501$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87shvccing.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87vb08xh3g.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87lh13xwnr.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <578896B1.1030104@rece.vub.ac.be> <5788c151$0$1619$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5788CCA6.90405@rece.vub.ac.be> Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:111475 Op 15-07-16 om 15:38 schreef Jussi Piitulainen: > Antoon Pardon writes: > >> No, that is what people come up with afterwards. If you just start a >> conversation about how people learn and how long it would take to get >> some mastery and how we could present progress in a graph, virtually >> everyone uses the conventional axes layout. This talk about swapped >> axes only come from people who used the steep learning curve metaphor, >> when you then try to show them what an actual steep learning curve >> implies. > Or from people who try to be charitable when other people use it. At > least I like to think that that's what I did. Sure, you can be charitable when other people use it. IME that doesn't contradict that when you somehow find yourself in need of actually graphing these kind of numbers you are likely to follow the conventional layout. -- Antoon Pardon.