Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Random832 Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: I'm wrong or Will we fix the ducks limp? Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 00:08:08 -0400 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <87mvn22veg.fsf@rudin.co.uk> <13108bea-6750-443b-bee8-0532aba8b338@googlegroups.com> <5753c89b$0$1616$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <1465148542.2670061.628500777.62F1EFE1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <5754f36b$0$1619$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <1465186088.3554819.628831041.19D0DC8D@webmail.messagingengine.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de kw/XhZD4p9w0b8Bqpu1stwJctLMHApOQFfTAkSd8gaeQ== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.004 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'int.': 0.09; 'objects.': 0.09; 'received:internal': 0.09; 'statements': 0.09; 'variables': 0.15; '999': 0.16; 'bind': 0.16; 'message- id:@webmail.messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'received:10.202': 0.16; 'received:10.202.2': 0.16; 'received:10.202.2.212': 0.16; 'received:66.111': 0.16; 'received:66.111.4': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'variable': 0.18; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'not.': 0.27; 'object,': 0.27; "people's": 0.29; 'objects': 0.29; 'certainly': 0.30; 'statement': 0.32; "d'aprano": 0.33; 'reference,': 0.33; 'steven': 0.33; 'exist': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:10': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'expect': 0.37; 'requirement': 0.37; 'received:66': 0.38; 'means': 0.39; 'subject:the': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'where': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.61; 'live.': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.com; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=u0JbkIkCr1M0WUVrI7sF+Ve3EIU=; b=Stx76O siyHZHs5LQuEoXieW/79MI8ZmWI4pLr43C7JXi0ib/eLWDjQhHfRHJlMNxqby5Kf F8bsW6ejfzqZ/NZi1dslYt6kk4Vihb/edJdKigK8hoinHOIvNdYnyCdGSe4dA/S4 gaNAAl6Iq2JOq4favu4JBAOC4LwMyo+tddviU= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=u0JbkIkCr1M0WUV rI7sF+Ve3EIU=; b=DCEUdK+xn+A12BnY8D/VBnCbmqAmFvEgc1Bim16xu8SxhZF Svb/7UyAF/Yh7UKjRLdvU/ugu1+4QB7YshjeUmdqndo4mOuxngJCObDM84dzucZB sYSegLYcTx9gSJGN6GhQwxJEKZaL1GVDmo6s+SIHXh+btowWivQ71S9ntMvk= X-Sasl-Enc: vQb9VV9TQ9SLrot7dqvdLsbGpdfY3DDJq6bBggXf5EOF 1465186088 X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-2bd3df2b In-Reply-To: <5754f36b$0$1619$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: <1465186088.3554819.628831041.19D0DC8D@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Mailman-Original-References: <87mvn22veg.fsf@rudin.co.uk> <13108bea-6750-443b-bee8-0532aba8b338@googlegroups.com> <5753c89b$0$1616$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <1465148542.2670061.628500777.62F1EFE1@webmail.messagingengine.com> <5754f36b$0$1619$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:109538 On Sun, Jun 5, 2016, at 23:52, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Certainly not. x = y = 999 is required to bind the same object to x and > y. My statement was that if two variables can be bound to the same object, then variables *cannot* contain objects. The object has to exist somewhere, and this requirement means that the variables cannot be where the objects live. > If your variable x were a reference, then we would expect type(x) to > return > something like "Reference", but it doesn't, it returns int. No we would not. You are once again inferring meaning that people's statements don't actually carry.