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Op 16-09-13 10:19, Chris Angelico schreef:
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Antoon Pardon
> <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> wrote:
>> Op 16-09-13 09:46, Chris Angelico schreef:
>>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Antoon Pardon
>>> <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> wrote:
>>>> instead of showing us all that you
>>>> too can contribute in a careless manner?
>>>
>>> Also: It takes effort to contribute usefully in a way that looks
>>> careless :) It's not saving effort, it's making a point.
>>
>> So what? The end result is still a contribution that looks like
>> it was carelessly written.
> 
> It's a contribution that SAYS that it looks carelessly written. I
> think most people here are intelligent enough to know that that's
> different from actual carelessness.

The question is, should they care about that difference. The end
result is a contribution that is just as hard to read.

>> Do you think making a point is an end that justifies any kind of
>> means? If not why do you argue in a way that suggest just that.
>> If yes, does that mean baiting Nikos is all right if it makes
>> a point, or responding somewhat obnoxious to him?
> 
> In a debate, you make points and counterpoints. In most debates, you
> also gain (or lose) "points for style". Steven scored plenty of the
> latter IMO.

And why should we accept you as the arbiter for this?

> You're here making a straw-man and a false dichotomy; I
> believe that "making a point" is sufficient justification for what
> Steven and I did, but I don't think it justifies "any kind of means".

Then your argument was incomplete, because it just mentioned making
a point as if that in itself was sufficient.

> I would not, for instance, destroy Nikos's server, data, or access to
> either, to make a point; and history will confirm this.

No it doesn't.

-- 
Antoon Pardon