Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.redatomik.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.006 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'see.': 0.07; "(i'd": 0.09; 'received:67.192': 0.09; 'received:67.192.241': 0.09; 'received:dfw.emailsrvr.com': 0.09; 'underlying': 0.09; 'index': 0.13; 'explicitly': 0.15; 'arrays,': 0.16; 'arrays.': 0.16; 'numpy': 0.16; 'received:67.192.241.150': 0.16; 'received:smtp150.dfw.emailsrvr.com': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'element': 0.18; '>>>': 0.20; 'thanks.': 0.22; 'object.': 0.22; 'produces': 0.22; 'received:emailsrvr.com': 0.22; 'am,': 0.23; '2015': 0.23; 'import': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'paul': 0.24; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'rules': 0.27; '+0200,': 0.27; 'arrays': 0.29; 'subject:what': 0.29; 'array': 0.29; 'that.': 0.30; 'fri,': 0.31; 'received:(smtp server)': 0.31; "can't": 0.32; 'structure': 0.32; 'another': 0.34; 'subject:?': 0.34; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.35; 'according': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'thought': 0.37; 'ok,': 0.37; 'rather': 0.38; 'method': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'seem': 0.39; 'received:192': 0.39; 'data': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'different': 0.64; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'herron': 0.84; 'subject:here': 0.84; 'todd': 0.84; 'behaviors.': 0.91 X-Sender-Id: gary.herron@islandtraining.com Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2015 06:23:53 -0700 From: Gary Herron User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: So what's happening here? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 05 Jun 2015 15:35:35 +0200 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1433511337 news.xs4all.nl 2891 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:52549 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:92146 On 06/05/2015 06:11 AM, Paul Appleby wrote: > On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 14:55:11 +0200, Todd wrote: > >> Numpy arrays are not lists, they are numpy arrays. They are two >> different data types with different behaviors. In lists, slicing is a >> copy. In numpy arrays, it is a view (a data structure representing some >> part of another data structure). You need to explicitly copy the numpy >> array using the "copy" method to get a copy rather than a view: > OK, thanks. I see. > > (I'd have thought that id(a[1]) and id(b[1]) would be the same if they > were the same element via different "views", but the id's seem to change > according to rules that I can't fathom.) Nope. It's odder than that. a[1] is still a view into the inderlying numpy array, and your id is the id of that view. Each such index produces a new such view object. Check this out: >>> import numpy >>> a = numpy.array([1,2,3]) >>> id(a[1]) 28392768 >>> id(a[1]) 28409872 This produces two different view of the same underlying object. Gary Herron