Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!feeder.news-service.com!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; '*not*': 0.05; 'instance': 0.05; 'parameter': 0.05; 'convention.': 0.07; 'type,': 0.07; "(it's": 0.09; 'object;': 0.09; 'rename': 0.09; 'subclass': 0.09; 'type)': 0.09; 'am,': 0.12; 'things.': 0.13; 'argument': 0.15; '*instance*': 0.16; '__init__': 0.16; 'bases,': 0.16; 'definition,': 0.16; 'foo.': 0.16; 'invoked.': 0.16; 'metaclass': 0.16; 'subject:() ': 0.16; '\xa0def': 0.16; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'thanks,': 0.18; 'help.': 0.19; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.20; "doesn't": 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.22; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.22; '\xa0if': 0.23; 'aug': 0.24; 'received:209.85.220': 0.27; '(this': 0.28; 'sat,': 0.28; 'bound': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.29; 'second': 0.29; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.30; 'information?': 0.30; 'parent': 0.30; 'class': 0.30; 'chris': 0.32; 'earlier': 0.32; 'typically': 0.32; 'does': 0.32; 'calling': 0.33; 'typical': 0.34; 'rather': 0.35; 'created': 0.36; 'useful': 0.36; 'skip:" 10': 0.36; 'class.': 0.37; 'passed': 0.37; 'using': 0.37; 'but': 0.37; 'received:google.com': 0.38; 'received:209.85': 0.38; 'should': 0.38; 'subject:: ': 0.39; 'i.e.': 0.39; 'skip:\xa0 10': 0.39; "it's": 0.40; 'your': 0.61; 'super': 0.64; 'here': 0.65; 'here:': 0.65; 'here.': 0.66; 'flash': 0.71; '11:04,': 0.84; 'definition:': 0.84; 'remember:': 0.84; 'subject:Calling': 0.84; 'sudden': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=x3AV5LPs6Tsw5pRL8ihKX1DaSRkvAuNbxibx4XFKmiE=; b=gIavlQNjG8AENfV3lmSGaDE2WgiJqKfOuYVOzpuGgWJylFPJ/IblRji4V8lJoErStW xi9ZdLN0OlznmtZDMSIyYmbtw/75++sTOeK/GE+8xcy7y7doczC/rD7BEbH/RPbgslVS zRM9MdXOljC+h4/KS3bB2ZP7/pAPv4fqyDdOI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Eli Bendersky Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 11:18:28 +0300 Subject: Re: Calling super() in __init__ of a metaclass To: Chris Rebert Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 47 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1312618730 news.xs4all.nl 23841 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:33146 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:10966 On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 11:04, Chris Rebert wrote: > On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Eli Bendersky wrote: >> Consider this standard metaclass definition: >> >> class MyMetaclass(type): >> =A0 =A0def __init__(cls, name, bases, dct): >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0super(MyMetaclass, cls).__init__(name, bases, dct) >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0# do meta-stuff >> >> class Foo(object): >> =A0 =A0__metaclass__ =3D MyMetaclass >> >> The call "super(MyMetaclass, cls)" should returns the parent of >> MyMetaclass here. But the 'cls' passed into this __init__ is *not* >> MyMetaclass, but rather the created class - i.e. Foo. > > ...which is an instance of the first argument to super(), which is how > super is typically invoked. Remember: a class is an instance of its > metaclass. > > Perhaps if you rename `cls` to `self` and then re-read your snippet, > you'll have a flash of sudden understanding. Calling the parameter > `cls` is merely convention. > >> So how does >> "super" get to the parent of MyMetaclass using this information? The >> documentation of "super" says: >> >> =A0 =A0If the second argument is a type, issubclass(type2, type) must be >> true (this is useful for classmethods). >> >> Yes, 'cls' is a type (it's "class Foo"), but no, it's not a subclass >> of MyMetaclass, so this doesn't help. > > The typical form of super(), mentioned earlier in the documentation, > is being used here: > > =A0 =A0super(type, obj) -> bound super object; requires isinstance(obj, t= ype) > > `type` here is the metaclass, `obj` here is the class. By definition, > a class is an *instance* of its metaclass, so the precondition is > satisfied. Thanks, Chris. This clarifies things. Eli