Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.etla.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'python,': 0.02; 'output': 0.05; 'subject:PEP': 0.07; 'implements': 0.09; 'pep': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; '2.7': 0.14; 'language.': 0.14; 'comma': 0.16; 'received:74.55.86': 0.16; 'received:74.55.86.74': 0.16; 'received:smtp.webfaction.com': 0.16; 'received:webfaction.com': 0.16; 'specifier': 0.16; 'appropriate': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; '>>>': 0.22; 'code,': 0.22; '+0000': 0.22; 'issue.': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'features,': 0.24; 'skip:% 10': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'source': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'patch': 0.29; 'code': 0.31; 'getting': 0.31; 'fighting': 0.31; 'running': 0.33; 'call.': 0.33; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'skip:f 40': 0.36; 'email addr:python.org': 0.37; 'fact': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'little': 0.38; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'above,': 0.60; 'new': 0.61; 'matter': 0.61; 're:': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'rendering': 0.68; '2.7.': 0.84; 'all!': 0.84; 'alternative.': 0.84; 'gain,': 0.84; 'carlos': 0.91; 'fight': 0.97; '2013': 0.98 Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 07:25:13 -0400 From: Ned Batchelder User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carlos Nepomuceno Subject: Re: PEP 378: Format Specifier for Thousands Separator References: , , , , , <519BD0D2.5080203@gmail.com>, , <519c30b0$0$6599$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com>, , <519c36c6$0$6599$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "python-list@python.org" X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1369221931 news.xs4all.nl 15897 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:38965 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:45723 On 5/21/2013 11:38 PM, Carlos Nepomuceno wrote: >> From:steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info >> >Subject: Re: PEP 378: Format Specifier for Thousands Separator >> >Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 03:08:54 +0000 >> >To:python-list@python.org > [...] >>> >>So, the only alternative to have "'%,d' % x" rendering the thousands >>> >>separator output would a C source code modification? >> > >> >That's one alternative. But the language you would be then running will >> >no longer be Python. >> > >> >Another alternative would be to write a pre-processor that parses your >> >Python source code, extracts any reference to the above, and replaces it >> >with a call to the appropriate format call. But not only is that a lot of >> >work for very little gain, but it's also more or less impossible to do in >> >full generality. And again, what you are running will be something >> >different than Python, it will be Python plus a pre-processor. >> > >> > >> >Don't fight the language. You will lose. > Not fighting the language. In fact it's not even a language issue. > All I need is a standard library[1] improvement: "%,d"! That's all! You have to keep in mind that 2.7 is not getting any new features, no matter how small they seem. If you create a patch that implements the comma flag in %-formatting, it *might* go into 3.x, but it will not go into 2.7. --Ned.