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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2013 18:36:54 +0000 References: <6f2b7$525f2302$5419b3e4$13466@cache1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl> <774fd$526a559c$5419b3e4$11247@cache1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl> <32495$526f9dfe$5419b3e4$14369@cache1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl> <526fc14f$0$29972$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5b3f2903-2ab1-4cda-a503-7ffad5d5b7a7@googlegroups.com> <5270ddd6$0$6512$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <425ea0db-41c7-4244-91b5-3e48d48e206c@googlegroups.com> <527217a4$0$29884$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <90f57eb4-7fff-47e8-86f1-d0fa717cc181@googlegroups.com> <52733eed$0$29972$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-2-98-203-149.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 51 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1383417435 news.xs4all.nl 15877 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:52038 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:58342 On 02/11/2013 18:22, Joshua Landau wrote: > On 1 November 2013 05:41, Steven D'Aprano > wrote: >> On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 21:41:32 -0700, rurpy wrote: >> >>> On 10/31/2013 02:41 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >>>> On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 19:48:55 -0700, rurpy wrote: >>>>> On 10/30/2013 04:22 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >>>>>> Skybuck's experience at programming *is relevant* to the question of >>>>>> whether or not he understands what he is talking about. >>>>> No. You claimed his proposition "made no sense" based on your >>>>> analysis of it. >>>> >>>> I said absolutely nothing of the sort. You're making that quote up -- >>>> not just misinterpreting what I said, or taking my words in the worst >>>> possible way, but completely inventing things I never said. >>> >>> Yes, on rereading you are correct, you did not say his proposition made >>> no sense, you disagreed with him that "putting this exit condition on >>> the top makes no sense" and claimed he had no business making such a >>> statement >> >> I said nothing of the sort. > > Personally, rurpy's reading seems like a reasonable one to me. Maybe > not correct in a technical sense, but at least reasonable. > > Particularly, the phrase > > "Wait until you actually start programming before deciding what makes > sense or doesn't." > > seems especially harsh, and would be furthermore so should Skybuck be > a professional programmer. That's a phrase easy to take badly, > especially over this medium. > > Sure, you in all probability didn't mean it like that but rurpy isn't > uncalled for in raising the concern. Really I just want to remind you > that you're both on the same side here. > Coming from me this is probably a classic case of pot calling the kettle black, but how about reading the Spike Milligan story The White Flag before this also escalates out of control. -- Python is the second best programming language in the world. But the best has yet to be invented. Christian Tismer Mark Lawrence