Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.103 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.80; '*S*': 0.00; 'example:': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'intel': 0.07; 'magazines': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'question.': 0.14; '100%,': 0.16; 'child.': 0.16; 'easily,': 0.16; 'effect.': 0.16; 'grasp': 0.16; 'high-school': 0.16; 'operands,': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'things.': 0.19; 'programming': 0.22; 'saying': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; "i've": 0.25; 'chapter': 0.26; 'second': 0.26; 'least': 0.26; 'read,': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'operations,': 0.30; 'gives': 0.31; 'constant': 0.31; 'fast.': 0.31; 'seemingly': 0.31; 'class': 0.32; 'alone': 0.33; 'basic': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'doubt': 0.36; 'impression': 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'message-id:@gmail.com': 0.38; 'connections': 0.38; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'ability': 0.39; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'read': 0.60; 'subject:"': 0.60; 'no.': 0.61; 'took': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; "you'll": 0.62; 'information': 0.63; 'hear': 0.63; 'myself': 0.63; 'between': 0.67; 'college': 0.70; 'goal': 0.75; 'atomic': 0.84; 'complexity': 0.84; 'delphi': 0.84; 'everything,': 0.84; 'nuclear': 0.84; 'subject:before': 0.84; 'subject:know': 0.84; 'subject:saying': 0.84; 'them)': 0.84; 'pic': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6riE7UPRH9J/vCD8fyJXp040hVs3OTZdOs8ClF5qsPU=; b=JDu+aEdIP07NqPxZo1bIfpqK2J8MVOjf8CnH/rl4qeJ3sM43fRmiiPCjmPfbE5gIvP FZsJsTyjwLigSn4P3WFO/QbrWqzMSwFd+s6BlNcvxqcygqyNJIpXDXmmS29BRzZMWUQk tq6T+idnzU/qYP9ErkVbN8YpSLotcXr5YLwPGWx5yp+DUwXIYNAAtaQH8Sn6Ur2ohCzV 4ZvmRWPTcZMSSOz7cl7oiiA+a7/V83OAYXdM5FxS+Hko1Y41XVQT87Q0DQqL7DU5fHp0 Gos/4/aMPnB1ItzDqSv9MUjdAeSWuQ/Pc4FMGv2UWQrkjDX9VYPnWm/+L7rcN5gWdIIQ 91sQ== X-Received: by 10.14.126.69 with SMTP id a45mr4420179eei.65.1379696857004; Fri, 20 Sep 2013 10:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 18:07:34 +0100 From: Jugurtha Hadjar User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130803 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: What minimum should a person know before saying "I know Python" References: <31df03f7-2b81-483a-9242-b83ba4559b1a@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <31df03f7-2b81-483a-9242-b83ba4559b1a@googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 50 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1379696864 news.xs4all.nl 15863 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:34781 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:54496 I think it is a philosophical question. It's like saying "I know maths", which is a ridiculous phrase I was surprised to hear, let alone surprised to hear often. Can someone know everything there is to know about something ? I doubt it. The point, at least for me, isn't to know everything .. But the ability to find out. I consider myself ignorant in almost everything, that's because I ask myself a lot of questions about a lot of things I ignore. The point is following up and looking things up so that you know them. I knew many things I wasn't even aware existed. What this (constant questions) does is that it gives a lot of information that is networked (and you make a lot of connections between seemingly unrelated topics). I'll give an example: I had a class in my second year in college about nuclear and atomic physics. There was a chapter about the Doppler effect. I was able to grasp it easily, because when I was a kid, it happened I took magazines in the bathroom to read, and I've read about it. Having a déjà-vu impression in a lot of things and to be able to make analogies of concepts and principles has helped me tremendously. When I got into college and started programming PIC microcontrollers, having tinkered with Intel assembly language in high-school (disassembling executables and tinkering with them) was definitely a plus (Registers, operands, carry operations, hexadecimal, addresses). When in the first year we started Pascal, I already did things in Delphi when I was in high-school. But then again, I also did tinker with C in middle-school (really basic stuff) and BASIC as a child. Do I know Python ? No. I don't think I ever will. But I am confident I will be able to do what I cannot do right now, and the complexity of the things I will be able to do will increase, as will my ability to simplify complex things. It's a converging exponential, as a capacitor charging. The goal is to minimized the time constant so you get at about 63.2% fast. The incremental 1%s will take years and I don't think you'll ever hit 100%, not even after decades. Sorry :) -- ~Jugurtha Hadjar,