Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.redatomik.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'win32': 0.03; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'cpython': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'latter': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'linker': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'suggest': 0.14; 'language.': 0.14; 'windows': 0.15; 'know;': 0.16; 'meanwhile,': 0.16; "microsoft's": 0.16; 'pywin32': 0.16; 'rather,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'sorts': 0.16; 'suggest?': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'module': 0.19; 'written': 0.21; 'machine': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'convenient': 0.24; 'java': 0.24; 'extension': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'wonder': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'bunch': 0.31; 'libraries': 0.31; 'languages': 0.32; 'linux': 0.33; 'classes': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'example,': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'first': 0.61; 'offer': 0.62; 'decided': 0.64; 'our': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'love': 0.65; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'direct': 0.67; 'mar': 0.68; '2015': 0.84; 'fishing,': 0.84; 'idiot': 0.84; 'instantly': 0.84; 'subject:Practices': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Python Worst Practices Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 16:28:13 +0000 References: <7053A277-9687-49B0-9FDB-CB4DB3E76DEC@gmail.com> <54F0E38D.40006@davea.name> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-78-146-7-82.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1425140924 news.xs4all.nl 2844 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:41405 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:86627 On 28/02/2015 15:46, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 2:33 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote: >> >> It also makes me wonder what idiot decided to use C as the language for the >> first Python implementation? Or was it written in something else and then >> ported? > > Guido, probably. And what other language would you suggest? What other > language has comparably extensive multi-platform support? Writing a > Python implementation in C instantly makes Python available on all > sorts of platforms, with direct access to native libraries on all of > them. For example, CPython on Windows can make use of a whole bunch of > Microsoft's win32 APIs, via the pywin32 extensions; meanwhile, CPython > on Linux can use the inotify functions, again via an extension module > (pyinotify or python-inotify). Jython doesn't offer that, as far as I > know; or rather, Jython offers access to Java classes rather than to C > libraries, and there are a lot more of the latter than the former. Of > all the languages that offer convenient access to the same sorts of > libraries that C code can (generally, those that compile to machine > code and use the same kinds of linker information), which would you > suggest as being better than C? > > C may not be perfect, but it's pretty decent at what it does. > > ChrisA > I love fishing, just dangle the bait and wait to see what bites :) -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence