Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!news2.arglkargh.de!news.mixmin.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.092 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.85; '*S*': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'bash': 0.09; 'exit': 0.09; 'false.': 0.09; 'evaluates': 0.16; 'illustrate': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'examples': 0.20; 'programming': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'this:': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'but': 0.35; 'false': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'hope': 0.61; 'mentioned': 0.61; 'success': 0.61; 'truth': 0.81; '2015': 0.84; 'received:btcentralplus.com': 0.84; 'subject:Practices': 0.84; 'received:86': 0.91 User-Agent: Kaiten Mail In-Reply-To: <757f69ee-b66b-426c-98e2-3b76c11f6075@email.android.com> References: <85bnkh5z96.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <85zj814jmb.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <1103e6a0-2183-4641-bf98-2927806c2172@email.android.com> <85h9u82wq1.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <757f69ee-b66b-426c-98e2-3b76c11f6075@email.android.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: Python Worst Practices From: Simon Ward Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 20:23:26 +0000 To: python-list@python.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.9 X-Spam-Level: -- X-Spam-Report: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1425068621 news.xs4all.nl 2969 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:37027 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:86587 On 27 February 2015 20:06:25 GMT+00:00, I wrote: >I mentioned the true and false. OK, so it's a meme, but it's based on a >false (pun intended) understanding of exit status codes. That success >evaluates to true and failure evaluates to false does not mean the >values of truth and falseness are inverted. No programming language >other than that provided by system shells I have used evaluates 0 to >true. I hope the following examples from bash illustrate this: $ (( 0 )) && echo success $ (( 1 )) && echo success success $ (( 0 )) ; echo $? 1 $ (( 1 )) ; echo $? 0 Simon