Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!feeder.news-service.com!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'ide': 0.05; 'projects,': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'from:addr:pobox.com': 0.07; 'python': 0.08; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229.12': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'received:lo.gmane.org': 0.09; 'emacs,': 0.16; 'message-id:@post.gmane.org': 0.16; 'refactoring': 0.16; 'shouting': 0.16; 'guess': 0.19; 'writes:': 0.19; 'starts': 0.20; 'seems': 0.21; 'integration': 0.26; 'thanks.': 0.27; "i'm": 0.27; 'problem': 0.28; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.32; 'does': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'done.': 0.34; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.35; 'probably': 0.36; 'useful': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.38; 'but': 0.38; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'trouble': 0.39; 'header:Mime-Version:1': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'more': 0.60; 'john': 0.62; 'valuable': 0.66; 'interesting,': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: John Lee Subject: Re: Abandoning Python Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 21:01:00 +0000 (UTC) References: <87ipt46okh.fsf@pobox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 82.44.73.236 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/534.24 (KHTML, like Gecko) Ubuntu/10.10 Chromium/11.0.696.68 Chrome/11.0.696.68 Safari/534.24) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1306098074 news.xs4all.nl 49044 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:46256 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:6005 Dan Stromberg gmail.com> writes: [...] > Pylint does type inferencing - I find it very valuable on large projects, and > even some not-so-large projects.I doubt Pylint's been integrated into any > IDE's, [...] That's interesting, thanks. I see this is a different pylint than the old logilab pylint. Unfortunate choice of name, since it makes it hard to find IDE integration work that's already done. > But PyCharm probably has refactoring.  For a bolt-on to vim or > emacs, you might look at "Rope". TBH, I'm not interested in Python refactoring tools until everybody starts shouting that they're reliable and useful (because it seems like a hard problem to solve, so I guess most implementations will be more trouble than they're worth). John