Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.redatomik.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.168 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.67; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'e.g.,': 0.09; 'mess': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'jan': 0.12; "wouldn't": 0.14; '(today': 0.16; 'desktop.': 0.16; 'different,': 0.16; 'hardware.': 0.16; 'personally,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'throughput': 0.16; ':-)': 0.16; 'student': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; "hasn't": 0.19; 'numerical': 0.19; 'thu,': 0.19; 'url:article': 0.19; '>>>': 0.22; 'putting': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; "aren't": 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'possibly': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'leave': 0.29; '2009': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'said,': 0.30; 'see,': 0.30; 'work.': 0.31; 'went': 0.31; 'software,': 0.31; '(possibly': 0.31; '2008,': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'faster,': 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'update.': 0.31; 'run': 0.32; 'running': 0.33; 'maybe': 0.34; "i'd": 0.34; "can't": 0.35; 'anywhere': 0.35; 'computing': 0.35; 'hundreds': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'data,': 0.36; 'transition': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'thanks': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'performance': 0.37; 'jason': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'results.': 0.60; 'numbers': 0.61; 'success': 0.61; 'john': 0.61; 'high': 0.63; 'myself': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; '(that': 0.65; 'studies': 0.65; 'series': 0.66; 'here': 0.66; 'benefit': 0.68; 'improvements': 0.68; 'introduction': 0.68; 'results': 0.69; 'money': 0.72; 'repeat': 0.74; 'future,': 0.83; 'calculations': 0.84; 'computing.': 0.84; 'cpu.': 0.84; 'embracing': 0.84; 'everything,': 0.84; 'gains': 0.84; 'importance.': 0.84; 'improvement': 0.84; 'investigated': 0.84; 'manufactured': 0.84; 'maths': 0.84; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84; 'refusing': 0.84; 'simulations': 0.84; 'severe': 0.91; 'watched': 0.91; 'dirty': 0.93; 'serious': 0.97 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: Parallelization of Python on GPU? Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 12:16:58 -0500 References: <82642f3a-49e8-4982-b135-66ffc04d67d9@googlegroups.com> <54ee8ce2$0$11109$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> <1424963166.30927.73.camel@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-98-114-97-173.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 In-Reply-To: <1424963166.30927.73.camel@gmail.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 58 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1424971039 news.xs4all.nl 2909 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:35927 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:86522 On 2/26/2015 10:06 AM, Jason Swails wrote: > On Thu, 2015-02-26 at 14:02 +1100, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> John Ladasky wrote: >> >> >>> What I would REALLY like to do is to take advantage of my GPU. >> >> I can't help you with that, but I would like to point out that GPUs >> typically don't support IEE-754 maths, which means that while they are >> likely significantly faster, they're also likely significantly less >> accurate. Any any two different brands/models of GPU are likely to give >> different results. (Possibly not *very* different, but considering the mess >> that floating point maths was prior to IEEE-754, possibly *very* different.) > > This hasn't been true in NVidia GPUs manufactured since ca. 2008. > >> Personally, I wouldn't trust GPU floating point for serious work. Maybe for >> quick and dirty exploration of the data, but I'd then want to repeat any >> calculations using the main CPU before using the numbers anywhere :-) > > There is a *huge* dash toward GPU computing in the scientific computing > sector. Since I started as a graduate student in computational > chemistry/physics in 2008, I watched as state-of-the-art supercomputers > running tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of cores were > overtaken in performance by a $500 GPU (today the GTX 780 or 980) you > can put in a desktop. I went from running all of my calculations on a > CPU cluster in 2009 to running 90% of my calculations on a GPU by the > time I graduated in 2013... and for people without as ready access to > supercomputers as myself the move was even more pronounced. > > This work is very serious, and numerical precision is typically of > immense importance. See, e.g., > http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0010465512003098 and > http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ct400314y > > In our software, we can run simulations on a GPU or a CPU and the > results are *literally* indistinguishable. The transition to GPUs was > accompanied by a series of studies that investigated precisely your > concerns... we would never have started using GPUs if we didn't trust > GPU numbers as much as we did from the CPU. > > And NVidia is embracing this revolution (obviously) -- they are putting > a lot of time, effort, and money into ensuring the success of GPU high > performance computing. It is here to stay in the immediate future, and > refusing to use the technology will leave those that *could* benefit > from it at a severe disadvantage. (That said, GPUs aren't good at > everything, and CPUs are also here to stay.) > > And GPU performance gains are outpacing CPU performance gains -- I've > seen about two orders of magnitude improvement in computational > throughput over the past 6 years through the introduction of GPU > computing and improvements in GPU hardware. Thanks for the update. -- Terry Jan Reedy