Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.redatomik.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'broken': 0.04; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'elements.': 0.07; 'arrays': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'overflow': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'language.': 0.14; '13:58,': 0.16; 'galaxy': 0.16; 'phones.': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'roy': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'fix': 0.17; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'stack': 0.19; 'header :User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'bytes': 0.24; 'pointer': 0.24; 'mention': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'that.': 0.31; 'data,': 0.36; 'next': 0.36; 'half': 0.37; 'url:eu': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'devices': 0.61; 'our': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'due': 0.66; 'smith': 0.68; 'samsung': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Bug in timsort!? Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:50:13 +0000 References: <1cf84559-3a63-4799-a879-ae8e513d387e@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-92-24-216-15.ppp.as43234.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1424883036 news.xs4all.nl 2882 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:35589 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:86419 On 25/02/2015 13:58, Sturla Molden wrote: > On 24/02/15 22:34, Roy Smith wrote: >> http://envisage-project.eu/proving-android-java-and-python-sorting-algorithm-is-broken-and-how-to-fix-it/ >> >> > > This is awful. It is broken for arrays longer than 2**49 elements. With > 8 bytes per PyObject* pointer this is >4096 terabytes of RAM. I don't > see how we can fix this in time. > > Oh yes, and they mention that TimSort is used on billions of devices due > to Android mobile phones. This is clearly very relevant for mobile > phones. Next thing you know your litte Samsung Galaxy with more than > 4096 terabytes breaks down from a stack overflow in TimSort. > > > Sturla > > When I were a lad we only had one bit of data, and we were only able to utilise half of that. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence